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Sue Elliott  00:00

I had found muscle cars magazine on a newsstand and it needed a copy editor. I mean, it was just it was a really hard read because it the writing was so bad. Alright guys, I know some of you are still my friends. So my first role was literally being the only person who edited any of the content of the magazines that we were doing and like I said, we were doing for magazines at the time. And over the first year I was there we added three more so I was editing all the content for 52 issues a year and teaching my staff writers how to write

Achim Nowak  00:34

Hey, this is Achim Nowak, executive coach and host of the MY FOURTH ACT  podcast. If life is a FIVE ACT play, how will you spend your FOURTH ACT? I have conversations with exceptional humans, who have created bold and unexpected FOURTH ACTS, listen, and to be inspired. And please rate us and subscribe on whatever platform you are listening on. Let’s get started. I am so happy to welcome Sue Elliot to the my fourth act podcast. Sue is a consummate publishing pro over the last 25 years to launch more than a dozen publications from scratch. For publication ranging include law of attraction, or personal growth magazine that you may have seen at your local food store. As well as overhaul in the magazine I love to say that which took fans of the Discovery Channel TV show behind the scenes and help them learn how to build a car so they’d love to have also served as editor in chief for countless other publications. Over 1000 of our articles have been placed in outlets, such as the Los Angeles Times Parade Magazine, aaa, the New York Post, Napa Sonoma magazine, MindBodyGreen, and so many more outlets. Now somewhere along the way, Sue came to understand that other beings and entities are really the ones in charge. She calls them her angels. And she took this step of publicly coming out of the spiritual closet. As an angel coach. Please welcome Angel coach Sue Elliott. Hello. Hello him. I am. So looking forward to this conversation and especially the I have many guests who go from one app to another. But yours in terms of your public persona is a pretty radical change that I assume took some leaps of courage. We’ll get there in a moment. Before we start, when you were a young girl teenager growing up and independent, but everybody asked you, what do you want to do with your life? What were you thinking about?

Sue Elliott  02:58

I love this question, because I had never really looked back at this. So I realized that I was very creative as a child. Yeah, I remember my earliest drawings were designing clothing. Because my my mom’s parents had a clothing store in Beverly Hills, a lady’s clothing store. I was aware of fashion. When I was a little girl. I started writing poetry when I was seven, I took so many art classes and writing classes. And then I got into dance. And my dad had gone to New York High School of Music and Art, and very strongly pushed me away from art. Art was not a way to make a living. So my parents actually encouraged me to study business in college. But lucky for me when I got to Cornell, I discovered there was no business program undergraduate. So I wound up being an English major and essentially majored in poetry.

Achim Nowak  03:51

That was the angels at work already back then. Right. Exactly. When you mentioned clothing store, Beverly Hills, you know, we all have immediate associations of that world. Did you feel and sometimes when parents have a store, there’s a pressure to move into the family business. You have that pressure like, well, you’re supposed to do what mom and dad did?

Sue Elliott  04:19

No. So my parents were never involved in the store. It was my mom’s parents who had started it. And they sold it when I was very young, like still in elementary school. So there was no pressure along those lines. My dad had gas stations when I was growing up, which is how I got into cars. Because the youngest age, I was also really aware of cars and fell in love with my first car when I was three years old. That girl across the street got a Mustang and I just loved that car. So growing up in LA also in the San Fernando Valley. I was involved in a cruising scene, you know, cruising Van Nuys Boulevard cruising westward near UCLA with my girlfriends so we can make college boys when we were in high school. So can Horses were a big part of my life too. I was the two different sides, right? The sort of masculine stuff and the feminine stuff, very active.

Achim Nowak  05:08

Since I just got back from four days in California, you know, I have all these associations of the lifestyle you describe, obviously, a few decades back. How? How does one go from studying English, at Cornell? To actually working in the publishing? Was that your first job? Did you stumble into publishing? Was it intentional? How did you land in that world,

Sue Elliott  05:35

it was surprisingly natural. I was on my high school newspaper staff. And then in college, again, you know, Angel guidance, right, I was looking for some sort of work to do. And I stumbled into it a job editing stuff for the Career Center at Cornell, and became friends with the director of the career center. And I knew I didn’t want to go on to law school, which was kind of a logical thing to do with an English degree at the time anyway. And I knew I loved the newspaper. So the summer before my senior year, I got a couple internships in publishing, one with a book publishing company in LA, and another one simultaneously with a magazine publishing company. And I discovered that books took a year to come out in print, which to a 21 year old was forever. So magazine publishing was supernatural. As soon as I graduated, I got a temporary job. And then about a month later, I got a full time job. And it just felt effortless moving in that direction.

Achim Nowak  06:36

I know that work a little bit that world a little bit. And as you know, I’m I’m a published writer, so traditionally published in Soho publishing house of agents and all those things. And in my mind, there’s a very, that can be a very sexy part of the work. And that can be a part of the work that’s just hard and the grind. And both can coexist, I’m sure often on the same day. But if you were to give our listeners maybe a snapshot of an early moment in your publishing life, where you were involved with a project, you went, Yeah, this is why I love this. This is just amazing that I sue get to do this. What comes to mind,

Sue Elliott  07:19

when I saw my first couple of publishing jobs were business magazines. And at the time, I wasn’t really interested in business. As you know, I became very interested later in life. But right out of college, I was kind of at the other end of the spectrum. I sent out a bunch of resumes and wound up getting offered a job with just two years of experience as managing editor of for car magazines. Because the editor in chief of all the magazines had been embezzling from the company. And the current managing editor was going through his desk looking for more evidence of wrongdoing and found my resume. And the managing editor had given notice and was looking to replace himself and he was kind of a college snob. And when he saw that I went to Cornell, he was like, oh, you should hire this girl. So I literally on the day that I was planning to move back to California and try as a freelance writer to work on car magazines. I got a call to go interview at this Publishing Company in New Jersey, to become the managing editor for magazines. So I had this huge leap upward in my career, and got to experience a passion industry. Because the magazines we were doing were high performance, Pontiac, high performance, Mopar, that about Corvettes and muscle cars. So total enthusiast hands on how to magazines, and I got to learn how everything in the car worked. And I just love that stuff. I got to go to her factories, which I love seeing how things are made. And I love being around people who are super passionate about what they do.

Achim Nowak  08:50

What a cool story. Now the other thought I have however, like, if I had to pick like the most favorite thing I read every week, that’s on Saturdays. It’s in the Wall Street Journal. It’s the car column written by Dan Neil, who, who is a ridiculously good writer. But I would imagine when you’re an editor of a magazine like this, some writers gave you a good writing and some Hugo like crap, I have to publish this, but this is not in good shape. Like how did you handle suddenly being managing editor or being boss who is responsible for the editorial quality of what you’re putting out?

Sue Elliott  09:33

That was it’s actually how I wound up there. So I had found muscle cars magazine on a newsstand and it needed a copy editor. I mean, it was just it was a really hard read because it the writing was so bad. No. Alright guys, I know some of you are still my friends. So my first role was literally being the only person who edited any of the content of the magazines that we were doing. And like I said, we were doing for magazines at the time. And over the first year I was there, we added three more. So I was editing all the content for 52 issues a year, and teaching my staff writers how to write. And that made my life so much better. And I became a really collaborative editor. In the beginning, I was that person who rewrote somebody’s article and published it without even running it by them. You know, I was 22 years old, I was arrogant, like many people in their early 20s are especially coming out of an Ivy League school, right. And I know so much. And then I became, by the time I was doing the personal growth magazine, in the when was that, like, we finished about 10 years ago, it was much more drawing out the story from the person. So I would get the article, I would rearrange things into a nice flow. And then I would add in questions to draw out more nuanced, more depth, more breadth, if needed, just to really bring that person’s flavor through.

Achim Nowak  11:03

Since you already just Prelude ID law of attraction magazine, which is that I met you through that magazine, which was beautiful. It featured all of the great luminaries at the time and the personal growth space in I would say, United States, but the world, and they were in there, and this was your baby, you created this magazine, nobody said, Hey, you have to do this. Now you begged a publisher to publish it. So can you just walk us through the story from the young woman who was editing, managing editing muscle cars, to the more mature professional and said, I want to launch Law of Attraction magazine, and I’m going to fight to get this thing published.

Sue Elliott  11:47

Thank you for asking. It felt surprisingly natural at the time. car magazines for a really long time. And I even was a spokesperson for the automotive aftermarket for a while. And then I got unmarried, and I moved up to the Napa Valley. So my whole life I was a foodie. From the youngest age and and I started drinking wine when I was maybe 10 years old. It was just something that we did in our house. You know, if my parents opened a bottle, I got a glass too. So when I left my marriage, and I could live anywhere, I moved up to the Napa Valley. And I immediately started writing about restaurants and wineries locally for the local paper. And then I started writing for, you know, other magazines and publications about food and wine. And so I was always following my passions. I was passionate about cars. But after a while, you know, after 25 years of doing that, I felt like I had done that. And so I moved into this next phase, and then the Head of Business Development for the newsstand and I got connected. I love these stories, right being in the right place at the right time. This is what I actually coached people to do now. I’m standing in the taxi line in Las Vegas, waiting to go to the SEMA show, which is the big automotive aftermarket tradeshow. It’s one of the three biggest trade shows in Las Vegas every year. So I’m standing in this massive taxi line that winds around like a Disneyland line, you know, back and forth and back and forth. And I wind up next to Jerry Pitt, this guy that I’ve known for years. And he says to Elliott, you’re the person we need, because they had a deal brewing with a celebrity chef who was also a car collector. And there was nobody in the universe who wrote about food and wine, and muscle cars. Except me. So he was like, we need you. And so I started talking to the Head of Business Development for the new Stan who was working on putting together this deal with a celebrity chef. And that never happened. But meanwhile, he was dying to do food magazines. So I instead of pitching stories to Food and Wine Magazine, or or whatever, I just launched a food magazine of my own. And at the time, we didn’t have any budget for a test kitchen. So I loved restaurants. I loved chefs. And so we made a magazine about chef recipes. So they were already tried and true. We didn’t have to test them ourselves. And so we did a bunch of one shot magazines for the newsstand you know comfort food, holiday baking fall foods, and one called chef that was profiles of a lot of chefs and excerpts from their books. And then he got carte blanche to try anything on the newsstand. So he was doing puzzle magazines and he was doing a gun magazine and then all these different things. And he said what was that crazy thing you wanted to do? Because about it? Once earlier, I had pitched him on doing this personal transformation magazine. A copy of Louise Hays movie you can heal your life which never watched and he he without even knowing what it was about who was like let’s just try one. So we decided to call it law of attraction which I was a little bit sorry about I would have loved for it to be even broader, like joyful living or bliss or something and we Put it out. And it sold really well. In fact, it was one of the best selling magazines they had on the newsstand that year. So we did one the first year, and then we did to the second year, and that kept selling well, and then we did for the next year. And we were right about to do six the following year, when the publishing company went through the first of three reorganizations in in six months. And that killed more than half their magazines. Yeah, so that was one of the first ones that went away. And then you and I started talking about a business magazine, for C level executives to bring personal transformation into the C suite. And that was, that was what I was looking at doing next.

Achim Nowak  15:38

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Sue Elliott  16:46

Everything about it was such a joy and a practice, right? Like when I was doing the car magazines, I could be all stressed out. And not worry that the readers of the car magazine were going to feel my stress when they read it. But I knew when I was doing the personal transformation magazine that if I was stressed out that that energy was going to go into the magazine and my readers, many of whom many of them at least were sensitive enough to feel that. So one of the greatest joys was that it really made me walk the talk all day every day. And of course, you mentioned all the luminaries, the incredible people that we got to share wisdom from it was incredible to get to talk to a lot of these people interview them some more book excerpts. So I didn’t get to meet Wayne Dyer in person. But I did get to choose exactly that piece of guidance from Him that not only fit the mix, but that felt really potent and transformative for people.

Achim Nowak  17:48

Yeah. Beautiful. Now let’s talk about angels, shall we? Oh, yes. I introduction I use the word sort of other beings or entities. Because to some people, Angel can have a religious connotation. But on the most fundamental level, if I understand this correctly, at some point, you started to tune into other frequencies. And you noticed that other things were communicating with you. And I had to laugh earlier, when you add things have to openly said that this publication only said, talked about your crazy idea. And you know, people who communicate with angels have also been labeled as being crazy, right? Or could it be our culture has changed? But how? How did this emerge for you walk us into how this channel of communication open up for you.

Sue Elliott  18:47

Thank you for asking that question. So I know when I was little, I used to have dreams, and then the exact thing would happen the next day. And that scared me. I was maybe seven or eight years old when that was happening. And so I turned that off. So the clairvoyance went away when I was little but the my abilities obviously were there. And I believe that we have many lifetimes that we are eternal beings. And so I knew now that I’ve done this work for millennia, but I did not know that. As you know, an Ivy League graduate who is very much about figuring things out in my head. When I first started hearing around 2005. I literally heard hear a healer. And my response was something like La la la la, I can’t hear you go away. Like I’m a normal person. Leave me alone. At that point. I was still in a marriage with a very, you know, logical reality focused husband. I was still doing car magazines. I was very much in that normal, quote unquote, space. And yet I started to get messages for people. Somebody would say The first one I remember was a woman said, I can’t afford that. And I heard like, yelling, tell her never to use those words. And so I grabbed her hands and said, Please don’t ever say I can’t afford that, again, you, you can afford it. You don’t want to be creating that kind of lack in your life. You know, you are not choosing to spend your money that way. But please know that you are that powerful that you’re making that conscious choice. It’s not that you can’t afford it. And so messages like that started to arrive. And then I was sitting with my friend in the copia Center for Food and Wine in Napa Valley, when I first moved up to Napa in 2007. And we were sitting with this lovely woman who was telling us how upset she was that she couldn’t do needle work anymore because of her arthritis. And we’re looking at her right hand and one of her fingers is curved into like a C shape. And it wasn’t straight anymore. And so she’s talking to my friend Jody, and mostly looking at God and I’m holding your hand and I’m kind of petting her hand very gently. And all of a sudden, I feel this little funk. And I looked down in her fingers perfectly straight. And the the arthritis seems to have gone away and Jody notices this, but the woman who’s telling her story of how she can’t do the things she loves to do is oblivious. So I stopped because it seems like whatever I was meant to do is done. And then by the time she’s done telling how she can’t do what she wants to do anymore, her fingers curved again. So outside and God says what just happened there? And I’m like, well, apparently I learned two very important things. One, I can heal people with touch. And two, if they’re not ready to receive it, they’re not going to receive it yet. So so things unfolded like that, I would be in the middle of doing something and all of a sudden, I would say to the person, well, let’s check your chakras. And then that person would stand up and I would see the alignment and I would realign his chakras. And I was like, I had no idea I could do that until the words came out of my mouth. So it’s been this interesting expansion into who apparently I really am.

Achim Nowak  22:03

I appreciate the word expansion that you just used. When we describe to other people, how we are of service to them, you know, we have to call it something and you’re choosing to use the word angel. But in my world, I know many people who call themselves healers, who call themselves mediums who call themselves channels. So you chose Angel and I have a hunch there’s a reason why that’s the language or the descriptor that works for you. Would you describe to us why angel is where you landed?

Sue Elliott  22:43

Well, I do have a client who about a year and a half ago said, I tell people, You’re my angel coach. And it was a very big aha moment for me because up until then, I’ve been doing the coaching work for about 14 years now. I was doing it in parallel, actually, with the magazine work for a long time. And I never knew how to describe what I do because it’s it’s this unique combination of life and business coaching and energy healing and delivering guidance from the angels. And so when she said, I tell people, You’re my angel coach, it was this huge lightbulb moment. And as soon as I started using those words, people leaned in an interest. It felt very harmonious in my system. And that is really the most important thing. I find that, that when there’s disharmony, questioning hesitance in our system, others read it and they say no, thank you. And the minute I had that level of clarity and harmony in my system, clients started showing up left and right. So I knew it was the quote unquote, right words to describe it. But also my experience of it is this very loving, nurturing, gentle energy. So when we dissolve people’s subconscious programming or hidden limits, or reset the trauma triggers in their system or do this angel coaching work, it’s always very gentle, very honoring of the person. Very kind with this sweetness and a sense of humor. I find that the angels love to surprise and delight us and so it feels like angels to me it doesn’t feel like spirit guides it doesn’t feel you know, I could say the divine but a lot of people have a lot of stuff around God and you know, the angry judgmental guy in the sky. So angels feels the most resonant for me. Yeah.

Achim Nowak  24:39

It makes so much sense to me like I use the word angels all the time literally to describe the people that have Mike as as a successful executive coaches had an international career. There are four or five individuals whose belief in change to the project Forgive my life, and they were my angels. They introduced me to people. I didn’t have to prove myself to them. They opened doors for me. And so they they were very tangible angels and I just in LA, I had dinner with a person who would describe it that way. But I also, when you use the word angel coach, to me, it means you bring angels into the conversation. And you embody being an angel for others, correct?

Sue Elliott  25:32

Thank you. Many of my clients do say You’re my angel, and that it touches me so deeply when they say,

Achim Nowak  25:39

now, you’d said I’d been doing this for 14 years or so. On this side. When somebody used the word angel coach, you went that that feels right, that makes sense. I use it during the introduction, the word coming out of the spiritual closet, because thinking about your previous husband, you know, more logical thing is to go, wow, she is way too friggin woowoo. For me, like, where is she coming from? You know, she, you know, she had this traditional publishing career. That sounds great. But I don’t know about all of this angels. How did you reconcile within yourself, a major coming out as an angel coach, and owning that part of you that might seem a little hard for some people to embrace.

Sue Elliott  26:32

It’s been a journey. And you’ve been part of that journey. I know, you’ve seen so much of this. Part of the problem, quote, unquote, around it was when Law of Attraction magazine ceased publishing, and I was looking to bring this work to C suite leaders. The reason I was doing that is because I was being strongly guided to bring this work to business leaders to smooth the transition from the old reality that we’re all well aware of. It’s based on fear and manipulation and control and greed and scarcity consciousness, into this new reality that’s being birthed now. It’s based on love and abundance, consciousness and cooperation and collaboration and kindness and compassion. And I was shown that business was a way to do that, because it affected so many people, because people spend so much of their day at work. So if I could work with a company that has 20,000 people and affect change at the top, it could have huge ripple effects. And I did not believe that those people are ready for the woowoo messages that were totally fine with my clients who are coaches and healers and the readers of a law of attraction magazine. But I felt like I was moving into a space where that was not really welcome. And I had to sort of prove my credibility as an executive coach. And now looking back, I can see, and you know, that the huge aha, that happened maybe three months ago, where I went, Oh, right, of course, this is what sets me apart from every executive coach on the planet. These are my superpowers, yes, for those of you who are resonant with it, and why would I try and work with those of you who are not, you know, bringing divine guidance into your business everyday might actually help if that’s something that matters to you. I’m the coach freedom,

Achim Nowak  28:31

part of abundance, thinking if I use your languages, that there, there are enough people in the universe who resonate with the word angel, and those are the people you can support it and you don’t need to support everybody, right? Because not everybody is the right partner for everybody else. So you’re also you know, this podcast is called my fourth hat. And you and your life partner, literally, I mean, we’re recording this on the day that you just you just made an offer, on a huge 32 acre piece of land, outside of Asheville, North Carolina, but most of your life has been identified. listeners will know this with Southern California. So this is a big move. It’s literally to a different part of the world after several decades in Southern California, in one sort of lifestyle. What prompted you to want to make that bigger lifestyle chin?

Sue Elliott  29:33

Oh, so many things. I did live in the Napa Valley for five years up in Northern California. And that was my idea of heaven. And the only reason I left is my father made his transition. And my mom was actually it turns out in the last stage of grief, which was depression comes before acceptance. So if you look at Elisabeth Kubler Ross stages of grieving, and so I moved down to Orange County, California to be near my mom, it was her happy place. She loves being here, you know, near the harbor near the ocean, she can see the ocean from her home. And it never felt like home to me. It always felt very competitive. And, you know, keeping up with the Joneses, I was in coastal Orange County, which is very affluent, lots of plastic surgery, lots of you know, people buying a basic house there cost a million million and a half. Right. So it never felt harmonious. I loved the passion of the Napa Valley, the the people who are passionate about food and wine and art, and it’s agricultural. And I lived in a very small town that had only 3000 people in it. And I loved that. So I was yearning for that again. And Paul, my partner had been looking at the fires and the smoke, and we had gone to visit his one of his sons outside Denver, and the smoke was there from California and from Arizona fires. And so we started looking at like, where’s the air quality, good, where’s the weather good, where is the where’s the real community where you can know your neighbors and help each other. And it brought us to the Blue Ridge Mountains. And Asheville had always been on my radar as it must be a really special place. Because there’s a huge spiritual community there. And so many art galleries. In this town of under 100,000 people there were like 30 art galleries. And so we came out to look in April and loved it out here in western North Carolina and moved here two weeks

Achim Nowak  31:33

ago. Congratulations. Thank you. I know the backstory, this but I think for our listeners, all of us who are at a certain age know, we make a lot of life decisions around our elders, the parents, taking care of them being responsible for them. And in my mind, you made a very radical choice by as you were, you know, in coastal California, south of LA, to be close to your mom. And at some point, you said that Paul and I will move anyway. How did you make that okay for yourself to say No, Mom will be fine. We’ll be happier in North Carolina. And that will be part of our family moving forward.

Sue Elliott  32:30

It was, as you know, probably the hardest decision I’ve ever made to move away from my mom who’s 89 years old. She’s also healthy. And she has the most active social life of anyone I know. She’s very vibrant. So it’s not like she needed us. And she never wanted us to be her caregivers. You know, she set aside money for in home care. She never had any intention of living with us or us living with her. So there was that, right, that made it a little easier. But honestly, the conversation we had around this in the My fourth act mastermind group that I recently was in with you, that helped a lot people shared a variety of perspectives, that it might even help her be more independent, and more healthy and more vibrant, that it might help her live a longer life by being less dependent on us. That helped. And healthy, she had willing, she’ll live another 1015 years. And we couldn’t wait, I couldn’t ask my partner who’s 65 to wait till he’s 80. To do the things that he’s super passionate about. We’re super excited about building a greenhouse in a very new way and having a permaculture food forest inside that greenhouse. And he wants to test new technologies. He’s He’s a scientist, and so he’s excited about the experiments that he can do here. That would not have been easy to do back there. So at the end of the day, we had to say we’ll come back regularly, and spend quality time with mom, and we’re gonna go where we’re being called to. And on the work front, I was really feeling the need to live in a more harmonious environment, a more energetically supported environment because it was so turbulent where we were living. It was harder for me to maintain my potency and my center, and I was less of service. And then I can’t be here.

Achim Nowak  34:36

So, question I asked every one of my guests, you and Paul are really clearly stepping into it. Another act in your lives. It’s intentional. I’m speaking to you after you just been there for two weeks. Are there any other little hopes dreams aspirations where you go these are some things I would love to create here. are, these are some things I would like to explore? And I’m not saying they have to be at all, it’s fine to not have those. Is there anything like that, in your mind Sue,

Sue Elliott  35:12

so much. So I know that one of the offerings I’m going to start doing now that I’m here is one on one retreats where people come and stay on this magical land with us. And we can do deep dive work and clear out so much of of the programming and the emotional debris in somebody’s system, which can be done much more easily in this really nourishing natural space. And looking at retreat centers around here, I’m excited to explore the possibilities of larger retreats on land that’s really beautiful. And simultaneously, I’m doing the work that I do with people who are changemakers. You know, we’re changing education, and food and farming and impact investing and all these sort of archetypal clients who are doing different kinds of work. And then, one of my most beloved clients had a tragedy last month in her life, where her son murdered her ex husband, his father, and then tried to break into a neighbor’s house, who he knew is a Marine, and the marine shot and killed him. So in one night, she lost her ex husband and her son. As we’ve been helping her with this, it’s emerged that one of the things for me to do next, and that may involve the land here as a healing space also, is creating a group program. I’m getting choked up just thinking about it, creating a group program for women whose child has died in a shameful way. Whether that was committing a crime, or committing suicide, or anything else that really brings up a lot of societal programming that says, you know, what did you do to that poor child that caused them to do whatever it is they did? Or this we’re calling it forbidden grief? Because for example, if there’s another sibling, you know, how do you go on with life? How do you mourn this person who some people will say is not worth mourning if they were committing a heinous act, it’s an opportunity to work with these beautiful women who can’t repay a debt to society that they didn’t create in the first place. So it feels very big and very potent and very much part of bringing the Divine Feminine back on the planet very much a part of moving us into this compassion based unconditional love based reality.

Achim Nowak  37:51

I listened to you and I really what really resonates with me as your I keep hearing the Back to Nature part the healing part of nature and the merging in my life is the merging of work and life in a space where all of that is possible. And in a healthy way with boundaries of course but there’s a playground where beautiful things can be done and and you have just stepped into it. So I am thrilled that we got to speak about this at at the start of this next journey in your life. So final question if you if you were to whisper some advice to Jung Soo about so life guides not to change anything that happened in your life, but just from from the place of being a an elder and you know, I need that in a very positive way an elder who’s had a chance to engage with ridiculously brilliant people and is connected to angels. What would you want her to know about life? That maybe you didn’t know about? Dentsu?

Sue Elliott  39:00

So I always knew I was different. You know, I was always more sensitive I didn’t fit in. But what I would whisper to her is embrace that. And, like I love the resistance to the others being different from you know, so I remember really struggling with others being not like me, more than struggling with me being me. So if I could lean into the divine perfection of all of that, it would have removed so much grief and turbulence and trying to find my tribe trying to find where I did fit in. Because I didn’t come here in this lifetime to fit in. I came here in this lifetime to lead change, but but Jung Soo didn’t understand that.

Achim Nowak  39:51

If anybody is listening to us and is going, oh, I want to learn more about Sue. I love what she talked about. Where would you like to direct them to

Sue Elliott  40:00

I would love for them to come to my angel coach.com. And there’s I have a blog on there I have information on working with me personally, or if you’re a change maker, and pretty soon we’ll be putting up information about the forbidden grief program. But reach out to me if that calls to you, please or if you know somebody who’s really struggling with benefit, they’re welcome to email me. We’ll let them know as soon as it launches.

Achim Nowak  40:25

Thank you, Sue, for this conversation. I am just thrilled about this next phase. Yes, you stepped into it’s just inspiring. So travel. Well.

Sue Elliott  40:38

Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity.

Achim Nowak  40:41

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