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Andrew Quarrie  00:00

We need to address the housing crisis. We need to address how we excavate and, you know, deal with natural ecosystems as we build, protect the ocean, and our natural environment for our own health. You know, it’s not just about Yeah, we’re protecting the fish in the bay, you know, and the trees and whatnot and other wildlife but it’s really for our own health and benefit. We live in such a fast paced life, always in our screens, day and night. You know, we have so many pressures coming at us. Yeah, take a walk out in nature and see how different you feel. Does it is medicine.

Achim Nowak  00:36

Hey, this is Achim Nowak, executive coach and host of the MY FOURTH ACT podcast. If life is a FIVE ACT play, how will you spend your FOURTH ACT? I have conversations with exceptional humans who have created bold and unexpected FOURTH ACTS, listen, and to be inspired. And please rate us and subscribe on whatever platform you are listening on. Let’s get started. I am very happy to welcome Andrew Corey to the MY FOURTH ACT podcast. Miami’s Andrew quarry is a Jamaican born serial entrepreneur who champions equitable neighborhoods. He is the CEO and founder of herb Landia and needs analysis platform for real estate development. Andrew hosts his widely distributed podcast also titled herb Landia, where he focuses on social impact entrepreneurship within urban development. In 2016, Andrew also created and began hosting the annual urbanism Summit, a conference and event series designed to cultivate transformative ideas for new urbanism with a strong emphasis on people and the planet. Hello, Andrew.

Andrew Quarrie  01:58

Hey, how are you? Thanks for having me.

Achim Nowak  02:01

Wonderful to have you here. Just as a before we speak for our audience. Andrew and I have crossed paths a few times in Miami. We both live here. So we’ve had some social contact outside of here, which is what prompted me to want to have this conversation. Now when you because you’re from Jamaica, I’m curious when you were a young man or teenager, young boy growing up and I people asked you what you wanted to do with your life. Like what were you thinking about?

Andrew Quarrie  02:33

Young Andrew? Young Andrew Yang, Andrew? Well, there are quite a few things that you know, shaped this answer. One of them is that my last name is Quarrie. And if you know anything about Jamaican sports, and history, Jamaican sport, or our most famous runner is Donald Quarrie. I share the same last name with him. We’ve always asked me related, I just kind of run with it. No pun intended. But it’s a very small island. So I was expected to be a runner. You No. But I did not have the athleticism at that age I was was not my interests. I thought I wanted to be a runner just to please people. However, I had a really bad accident at a young age falling out of a really tall tree. And that kind of put it any end put an end to any aspirations as far as I run in. I can go very long time for me to recover from that. So yeah, initially, that’s where it started. But when I came out the United States that changed into a lot of the creative field. So music, audio engineering, that’s what actually sparked the fire in me. And that’s why I pursued

Achim Nowak  03:36

is yours almost a classic story where you grew up in the islands, but you said to get the education I want, I’m gonna go to the States or, well, how else what got you to Florida and Miami?

Andrew Quarrie  03:49

My mom, Curtis Smith, she essentially in the 70s I think it was 79 She left Jamaica for England. And this is a classic story. The women migrate to England trying to make a better life for their family, you know, get a job, send money back home clothes, you name it. But she didn’t stop at England, she decided to continue to Canada, because her end goal was to be here in the US bring her kids along with her. So we did not make that trip to England. It was many years later reunited with my mom, that, you know, she after she got established, she was able to bring each one of her kids over on a visa on a path to citizenship. So that occurred for us. My sister and I were the two last ones to be here were a total of five, four boys, one girl, my sister, not only two youngest of the group, and we got here in 88, August 20 of 1988 is when we landed on Miami and we grew up on Miami Beach, South Beach. And that’s how it all go. You know, that’s how the story kind of started when it comes to being here in the US.

Achim Nowak  04:53

I appreciate how you mentioned a specific date. You know, I’m from Germany. I came over here when I was 16, with a classic crossing across the ocean on a boat, and my dad was already here, and we passed the Statue of Liberty. And he was waiting, you know, in the West 50s picking us up. And I’ll never forget the day that I only know. And like the entrance was disappointing, I have to say, like, Manhattan in the 50s Look, grungy and rundown and nothing like the TV shows I’d seen in Germany, what I saw didn’t match my fantasy of where I thought I was ending up.

Andrew Quarrie  05:31

So many things in life, sometimes so many

Achim Nowak  05:33

things in life. Now you removed it, you did a lot of work in Marketing, and you talked about the creative fields. How did you decide where to play in that area? Because there are many different ways to do marketing. All of that’s competitive. There are other people doing the same thing that we do, and we’re good at, but they’re also good. Like, how did you find your niches where you were

Andrew Quarrie  05:57

so interesting in lab, I did my studies around audio engineering. And as a result of that, you have to take some, of course, tune in your ears, so you have to take up an instrument. For me it was keyboard at the time, and classical voice singing with my studies here at Miami Dade College, went to FIU for the additional two. And somewhere along the way, decided to just stop and just go straight into the profession, did an internship with Island Records at South Beach studios in Miami Beach at the time that was in the Marlin hotel, if anyone is is familiar with Miami Beach, to classical tale Art Deco hotel, off to welcome Collins and it wasn’t a very amazing experience because then I became the chief engineer for one of the first studios that were transitioning from mostly analog gear to now digital to hardest recording and pro tools and things like that. It was like a kid in a candy store for me just basically have all the paint brushes and paint that I wanted to paint my sound and you know really cool sessions helping to record top of that, aside from the studio stuff, I was doing live show so I did a couple seasons at the actress Playhouse got to do the front of house music sorry, mixing for one of my favorite shows just as Andrew Lloyd Webber’s Jesus Christ Superstar. That was part of the 9098 to 99 series, then the Buddy Holly story, did a stint at the colony theater on Miami Beach for Don Quixote. You know, adventures in Miami, that was the name of the show. I did this for a while. And, of course, there was marriage. And then there were kids, and that changed everything. So you know, the late nights are being in the studio, this for hours on end, it just really shifted a lot. There’s a lot of reinventing of oneself that happened. And that for me, how I got into marketing was, you know, had an opportunity. Actually, through a customer when I was working for Apple, working at the Apple Store, said, Hey, let’s, let’s put together a company and do advertisement, let’s do movie theater advertising, because I sell the movie theater time, you know, before the show starts. So that 20 minute pre roll, we sell local ads that you produce them. I’m like, Sure. And I didn’t have any experience whatsoever in video production, and digital recording. So I just kind of really dove into it. self taught, you know, really started to help these clients, these advertisements in the movie theater before the movie starts, they would ask me for other things like hey, what do you do? Do you do websites? Do you Do you know Facebook marketing, social media marketing, things like that? Of course I wouldn’t. I wasn’t an attorney any of that down. So again, it was a lot of self taught, diving in, or just trying to understand it feel just reaching out to people in a way that you’re trying to really kind of get to the heart and a matter of who they are and try to put out the best possible product or service to them. So that’s what I did.

Achim Nowak  09:02

What strikes me as I’m listening to you, a lot of it was emergence things emerge, you know, things came to you and then you dove in and did it which is and that’s I think already sort of an entrepreneurial mindset. They’re willing that we’re just gonna give it a try. But before we go further, because most of our listeners are not from Miami, you made some wonderful Miami references the Playhouse The colony and and Miami is sort of this big global sexy city now that’s the brand but you’re talking about a Miami beach of the 90s which for many people was the heyday of Miami Beach before it became destroyed. Right. Like commercialism. Would you give our listeners a little snapshot of what do you remember from Miami Beach in the 90s before it’s become what it is today?

Andrew Quarrie  09:53

I remember distinctly that were entered what 1990 9091 I graduated high school in 92. By the way, maybe center high school, there was a palpable feel of, you know, creativity that was just bursting. So you had a lot of the artists and I my neighbors, because, you know, artists were doing amazing work in so many different fields. So the arts, for me, you know, the Philharmonic was still around, you know, the Jackie Gleason Theater, which is, you know, now known as the Fillmore. And that’s actually where my graduation took place at the Jackie Gleason theater. So when it was named, that there was a renaissance of sort and of course, you know, aside from the nightclubs and whatnot, there was a lot of just creativity flowing everywhere and great in a lot of spots, restaurants, great place like jazz bar van dykes. I remember that on Lincoln Road course, the birth of the New World Symphony, which is a symphony in academia. That’s amazing. Michael Tilson Thomas. I remember just being able to, you know, walk over to the sunrise, moonrise enjoy those times, before Ocean Drive became ruined by you know, cars going up and down and playing out music. Until, you know, local city government had to deal with that. But it was a fun time.

Achim Nowak  11:12

But I’m also thinking and then I because I want to talk about urban is in your current interests in a moment. I remember creativity is easier or to be a creative artists when you live in a place that’s not overpriced yet, where you have a bit of price in the mores expensive something becomes the more we tend to exclude the artists and the creators because they can’t be there anymore, even though people move there because they wanted to be artists and the creators, right? Isn’t that so part of the irony of all of that?

Andrew Quarrie  11:46

Yeah, you see that a lot. You know, the arts, the creative space, usually Spark, a certain community vibrancy in neighborhoods, and most artists tend to go of course, where they can afford rent, you know, they’ll they’ll bunk out in a warehouse, they’ll create all these little communities amongst themselves. Once that catches, you know, the eye of a developer, the next thing is to just buy up a portfolio of properties around them. And the unfortunate thing, as I say, the irony of it is that most of these folks don’t get to stay in those neighborhoods, because now they’re priced out because they’re now in a popular area, which they helped to create. So, you know, I’ve always strived to to have this conversation with developers at the conference, or whenever we’re talking one on one is that you have to think about your give back mechanism. You know, whether it’s building artists, lofts that are affordable. Keep that as a part of the narrative like for, you know, places like Wynwood, keeping us a part of the narrative and there used to be an art walk around Wynwood that really hasn’t happened anymore. What if you actually built those aren’t laws that were live workspaces for the artists to be able to live there and affordable rent, then you have them open up their studios once a month. Now, you brought a beautiful thing to neighborhood, you brought them exposure, it’s a great long term benefit for your brand anyway, so sometimes they don’t, they’re very short sighted, they just look at the bottom line. And unfortunately, that’s happened a lot.

Achim Nowak  13:08

You just again for listeners from not from Miami Wynwood is the was a very industrial neighborhood of warehouses with murals. And first time I went to Wynwood I remember there was one restaurant Joey’s where you would go to eat Wynwood today, most of the warehouses have been torn down or are being torn down. And it’s it’s the very thing that made it cool. It’s literally been destroyed. And I remember going to the Artwalk it was like being a Fellini movie. I mean, it was thronging with people. It was wild. It was untamed. It was happening. You’re interested in the art, but you wanted to just get the energy of people everywhere, thronging. Yep. And that change is not talked to us about because we’re already in it. But how did your interest your conscious interest in urbanism and what I would call more intentional urban development, how did that emerge for you?

Andrew Quarrie  14:11

This emerged as I jumped into the startup world and tech, back in around 2012 14. Around there, where my first startup was focused on marketplace that I built to connect freelance writers and journalists, but marketing agencies that need content written for them, so like on demand, writing, I noticed as I was, you know, really having conversations with other founders, how difficult it was to acquire funding here, capital here. mentorship. It was a difficult time because I know we talk about Miami’s a tech hub these days, and a lot of that has gotten to a fever pitch after the sort of COVID 2020 A lot of people who moved here But back then we were still small group of us sticking together trying to figure out a way in how do we help build this ecosystem? So I started a series of talks, it was called Miami’s a tech hub, real versus hype. Alright, because we wanted to get cut through the hype in all the press releases and what was not happening, what we knew was happening on the backend. So we would have these forums and discussions. And they were very well attended sometimes a little bit heated and controversial, because there’s always one side who’s like, oh, you know, yes, we have a tech hub. Miami’s thriving on your side, well, I can give you the stats that show you that we are not thriving yet is that there isn’t that we’re not gonna get there. But we’re a long ways off, but we should definitely continue to build. After after seeing that successfully happening, you know, these community meetings, these people chiming in from all different sides. The way I curate is like, I try to bring, you know, the well known and the unknown together, the activist artists, the investor, you know, maybe the politician, before making policy, I try to stack panels that way so that people can have a voice in many different lanes, right, so that we were not just hearing one side, it’s sort of a talking head situation. Once I saw the success of that, I decided, well, let me just open this up beyond tech, and what affects us most than where we live, right, and how places are designed. And that’s urbanism and more important in new urbanism. So I decided to start the urbanism summit back in 2016 17. The first location we did that was with the help of the Miami Design District, Bakra mazing group. And that’s how we got started, because I wanted to help people engage civically, you know, in their community, but also bring out the players who are actually designing literally drawing the box that’s going to call their block, because most people don’t, are not really tuned into who are the urban planners that actually decides along with developers, zoning and policy, how their cities are drawn, and design. So I wanted to bring that exposure, and then, you know, education.

Achim Nowak  17:04

You use the word just a couple of minutes ago, you talked about curating conversations and, and as I’m listening to you, I’m getting this real sense that you thrive on bringing people together, putting people in conversation, people who normally wouldn’t talk to each other, and that’s part of wanting to be a catalyst for change. Did you always had that side of you that wanted to do that? Or did that emerge at some point in your life?

Andrew Quarrie  17:29

Um, I believe that this is a result of a poor part of my early upbringing. Going to church, my grandmother used to take the church, to the Presbyterian Church. Unfortunately, she passed when I was very young, around nine years old. But I remember her, you know, hey, get dressed, well go to church. And, you know, within that context, you can’t help but notice community. Okay, as it happens, I carry that along with me. Even as I came to the state at my high school, I started a Bible club, in Miami Beach, high school, I got fought on it tooth and nails. No, you can’t have a Bible club. It’s religious. And why? Well, I think we’re allowed to do this. And they didn’t allow me to do it. So I got we gather people will talk about different subjects in life. And, you know, whoever wanted to join and just have a fun time hanging in a non potentially sort non religious way. Because I like to say it’s more than just about rituals, right? It’s about relationships. And that’s how it kind of evolved for me. Yeah, so I’ve always had a heart. As a result of that, I believe, just wanted to see people come together, thrive, how do we help each other be thinking more in a collective way, rather than keep on focusing on this, what we call what I like to call nowadays, our self care generation, which means a very individualized individualistic and our approach to life, when in reality, we’re designed to be very much caring for each other.

Achim Nowak  18:55

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Andrew Quarrie  20:06

I believe that that receptiveness comes at different stages where, when you’re just starting out, you may have your cool friends and good friends and people are already close by you to support you, right? And then that catches on with as further you get down the road with it. Then the receptiveness is as a result of the track record. I’ve seen both, you know, this part of the process, right adoption, people finally, buying into your vision, but it has been well received by some of the key players that I admire. Because they’re, I wouldn’t want to say I want to be presumptuous and say, you know, taking a torch onward, but they’re coming alongside asking my advice, my input is important to the process, because the urbanism Summit, really is about us focusing on the issue of climate shifts, that will continue to impact our cities, and we have to address population growth. So while we are addressing population growth, are we designing with nature in harmony with nature, addressing, you know, sea level rise and how we do architecture and development, because Miami obviously, I know, talks about your audiences all over the place. But the Miami has a unique issue. It’s water from underneath and water from the bay. So in development, we have to rethink how we design our first floors, in how the roads are. So that way, the bays are protected. And you know, there’s that it’s already seawalls, but maybe natural barriers, such as what we have here, historically, were mangroves. But we have to think about how we’re designing cities. And we have to do it in harmony with nature. And we have to work together in reducing our consumerism, at such a fever, fever pitch in everything that we do these days, you can order something at a click or tap a few buttons, you know, from an app. And that just makes it so much easier for you to get you to go ahead and just consume, consume, consume without really thinking about upcycling, and things like that. So the people who I want to reach is really those who are the changemakers in their communities, whether you’re an activist, a local activist, where you are the young architects or the old architect who is ready to come on to the table and say, No, we need to really, really rethink the way we approach things because things are changing, and we can’t do it sustainably. Yes, I feel like there is a quite a few people here who have been receptive, and continue to champion this sort of idea of equitable build, but also build harmony in nature.

Achim Nowak  22:38

So if you were to I remember attending a wonderful lecture in the Art Basel event that very much addressed how people live in green space in urban environments, and wonderfully presented and, but immediately gonna hear something, the honest one, well, that’s sounds great. But that’ll never happen here where the sounds great, but it’ll never happen here. But what if you were to just, let’s forget about that will never happen here. But based on all the conversations you’ve had, and you’ve talked to so many people through your podcast through all the events you organize, and let’s shamelessly focus on Miami as a prototype for other cities, if you had a magic wand, and you could get developers to completely play by your passions, what would more New Urbanism as she looked like? How would people live differently? If you could magically make it happen?

Andrew Quarrie  23:34

If I could magically make it happen? It has to first start with a mindset shift. Right? If people are not willing to come to the table, then yeah, my magic Warren would first to get you all to agree and get us all to agree on the idea that we need to address the housing crisis, we need to address how we excavate and, you know, deal with natural ecosystems as we build, protect the ocean, and our natural environment for our own health. You know, it’s not just about Yeah, we’re protecting the fish in the bay, you know, in the trees and whatnot, in other wildlife, but it’s really for our own health and benefit. We live in such a fast paced life, always in our screens, day and night, you know, we have so many pressures coming at us. Yeah, take a walk out in nature and see how different you feel does it is medicine. So we need to think through public placemaking in general, in how we incorporate nature for for wellness, the same thing with architecture for wellness, because at the end of the day, it really does come down to our health and our well being your home and your place of domicile, it should be about your sanctuary, right and where you get to reset or play in a way that’s healthy. Obviously, the suburbs is not it. We can’t give every single person that’s going to live on this planet, a single family home and expect that we are having a landmass to address that. That’s going to run out so we have to build for density we have to build for town centers we have to build for walkability. everything that has to do with new urbanism. And of course, you can credit the amazing brilliant Andreas Milani and a lot of folks from DPZ into the Congress for new urbanism and championing these ideas within, you know, 2030 years ago. So the tenets of new urbanism, walkability, you know, access to your entertainment, your food, low impact, transportation, but also make it smart transportation, right. So we need a lot of public transportation that focuses on moving people around the city in simple ways. But we need to give back the streets to pedestrians as much as possible and reduce our use of cars. And those are just some things

Achim Nowak  25:40

and shuttling with vitiation. Because in Hollywood, Florida, where I live, I’m I’m involved with community conversations around this. And it’s so wonderful to hear you articulate that? What is your take on you know, Florida, where we live, it’s a really popular state, it became even more popular for people to move to during the COVID pandemic, you know, and the fear that and I am pro more density organized differently, as you say, but at what point does it become too many people? At what point does it become too crowded? How does that get decided? Or how does that work itself out? What have you learned about that in your conversations?

Andrew Quarrie  26:22

Well, when it comes to deciding who lives where, and what gets zoned for what unfortunate issue at times, is that politicians get elected for a short time. And by time they get to implement their ideas. Even if you’ve got, you know, you’ve gotten, you know, to their table, their desk, and have these conversations, they’re out of power by that time, right. So you have to have stitched these terms together, the next person to help champion for those for those policies in Arizona and for whatever different things you want to build. As far as when it gets too much. Well, right now, it is kind of I would say we’re dealing with a housing crisis, we have a lot of folks who are an edge of homelessness, moving out of the state, because of course, they can’t afford it. But the influx influx of folks from different big cities, especially, you know, folks who are in tech, I mean, they’re here, we’ve actually advertised for them to come here, and they’ve moved, and they can’t afford the rent and the rents have gone up significantly. People, you know, rents have gone up 30 40%. And it’s really affecting everyone, you know, especially folks who are local. Now, cost of living goes up, but the salaries have not. But when you’re coming from, you know, big cities like New York, and you know, la San Francisco, whatnot, and you have that same pay, and you’re working remotely. Now, you can just easily go down to, again, Brickell, this local reference, any one of these little pockets of community and buying apartment cash, but the folks who have lived here for such a long time, I don’t feel like we’ve taken care of the local ones. And we need to make sure that when we’re inviting folks in a lot of these tech companies are actually given back with actually quality paying jobs. And of course, the universities, the schools, they need to also match, you know, the sort of talent that’s coming here and what’s required for these positions. So we have to really pipeline that sort of thinking in matching those corporations and what their needs are going to be in the next couple of years, four years from now, but train up a really great system of tech people, or logistics and trade. And yeah, Miami is notorious for all of these things that we’re known for these things, the state of Florida in general, I feel like you’ve probably heard this and INSEAD before but Miami’s its own country, of course labeled as the capital of Latin America, but it’s a special place. And yes, we’re very forward thinking and inviting tech and trying to build entrepreneurial hubs here. So that not just in tech, but in a financial assistance, you know, logistics and trade and whatnot. So, yeah, it’s gonna take us a while. But as long as we’re focused on people and housing people and getting people proper jobs to be able to maintain a quality life here, we’ll be okay. But we’re behind.

Achim Nowak  29:07

But it’s almost ironic to me that we’re talking about housing and people being displaced and moving because just as you and I started to record, you’ll let me know that you’re in transition where you are right now you left a place where you lived, and you’re fixing up a place where you’re going to be temporarily describe to us what it’s like to be in a place where you’re going to be for a while, but probably not forever. You’re at a friend’s place you’re fixing up your room. Describe to just maybe your inner experience of being in transition with where you live right now.

Andrew Quarrie  29:40

Yeah, so the beautiful thing about you know, friendships, relationships, wherever, you know, when you establish a community. You will have people to catch you if you need them, too. Right? Not everyone has that. I feel for people Those who are either in a city without family that will have, you know, the resources around them as far as their friendships and community to actually help them through, whether it’s, you know, just a transitional moment, or they’re really going through a tough time no matter what it is, but it does give an appreciation for, you know, establishing yourself in a community. Because, yes, you never know when you’re going to need to reach out to the village, so to speak, yeah, and cry for help. And that there, they’ll be there for you. And that’s the human experience in general. I see this, you know, talk about housing and housing crisis, people who go from actually having a place where they have a life moment and emergency, something catastrophic happened in their life, and they were just one paycheck away from going into the streets or shelter, or something of that nature. But, yeah, we have to always leave with empathy and compassion. And this is why it’s important for us to all think through how we’re designing and building and what we’re designing and building for, we can’t strictly just be about luxury in the city, we have to have a good mixed use of workforce housing, and all the things that matter to broaden out the playing field a bit to give access.

Achim Nowak  31:12

So since you are physically in transition, what I’m also thinking about, and this is sort of in the spirit of fourth act, which is a metaphor, stepping into new things at different stages in our lives. You’ve started a whole bunch of ventures already. So you’re clearly like to start things are motivated to start things. As you look to the future is that anything else emerging anything else you’re going this might be next, or this is a venture that speaking to me, or something that you haven’t done before? And you want to do?

Andrew Quarrie  31:44

Actually, one of the reasons for really appreciate the question, because this is a time of transition is so many ways for me because earlier this year, back in January, on January 8, I had just turned 50 I believe five zeros did more than any other age. Before. Number. I really had a moment like almost like a crisis like I am 50 You know, a lot of things could go really right or really wrong after this, I have made it a point to say to myself, right now just prioritize enjoying yourself. Have fun, you know which friends and family the things you’d like to do, I go out to eat, dance, whatever, you know, enjoy art, music, love and music, as I’ve always done, but really safe from the work of really trying to inspire others to do good and do well. And whether via whichever vehicle you use that you use to do to accomplish that, whether it’s an urbanism, or you’re in finances, or I don’t know, you’re in the arts, you’re an artist, every one of us can have some sort of level of activism built into any of our talents. Aside from all those things, I really want to prioritize my health, having fun joining myself and as a result of that. I’m literally start in just a separate club among friends. That is, essentially Yeah, it’s not so serious, but it’s it’s a thing, so to help with that, but yeah, certain things I enjoy. But you know, there’s the summit and all those things. I will continue to build and attack space as well with our bland Yeah, sir, it all goes.

Achim Nowak  33:22

Well, thank you so much for giving us a little glimpse into your world and what motivates and inspires you and what you care about. I would imagine there are people listening to us who want to learn more about what you do and possibly even how they might get involved. Where would you like to direct them to Andrew?

Andrew Quarrie  33:42

Let’s say it’s a snap very hard to find me my name is pretty uniques Andrew quarry that’s qu a RR ie at any social media handle, whether it’s on Twitter or Instagram, I don’t know Facebook anymore. LinkedIn for short, professionally can reach me there as well as an Andrew quarry, or blandy. I currently have a splash page up. So if you go to herb Landia, you RB L A, and dia.com You’ll be able to find an invite request to the platform as we launch out, of course urbanism summit.com You will find out more about the conference. And that one should be coming up later this year. So keep an eye out for that.

Achim Nowak  34:20

Very cool. Thank you and wish you lots of fun with your friends and your new club and, and lots more dancing. Bye for now.

Andrew Quarrie  34:29

What I really appreciate your time. Thank you so much for having me.

Achim Nowak  34:33

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