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Juan Jose Reyes, MD  00:00

Yeah, I had all kinds of reactions. Most of them were, uh, you crazy. That will be probably the most common reaction I had. So you had to go through that. And then if you try to explain to everybody then you’re just gonna go back so you just have to okay accept the NSA. Yeah, maybe I’m crazy. But so and then and then the reaction that I was seeing from, from the other doctors were from a lot of people was, I wish I could do the same. I’m just tired.

Achim Nowak  00:36

Hey, this is Achim Nowak, executive coach and host of the mind fourth act podcast. If life is a five act play, how will you spend your for that? I have conversations with exceptional humans, who have created bold and unexpected fourth acts, listen, and to be inspired. And please rate us and subscribe on whatever platform you are listening on. Let’s get started. It gives me great pleasure to welcome Dr. Juan Jose Reyes to the my fourth act podcast. After heading a thriving pediatric practice for nearly 17 years, one took a radical departure in his life. He studied mindfulness became a mindfulness teacher, and founded mind state, an organization that delivers mindfulness based programs to reduce stress and anxiety. Once passion for photography led him to launch the acclaimed Miami street photography Festival, the largest festival of its kind in the world, with an equally successful sister festival in Milan. And I’m especially excited to speak with one today because he’s about to launch a new photography related app called PhotoWhy that makes photography and relationships with famous photographers more widely available to everyone in the entire world, which I think is ridiculously cool. So welcome one.

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  02:12

Hi, Achim, thank you for the invitation. Very happy to be here.

Achim Nowak  02:16

I’m happy that you here. Again, in full disclosure, who won and I know each other socially I consider it one a friend. And when we get to talk to mindfulness i This is how the four year anniversary of one and a bunch of us going on an excursion to Bhutan, which was an extraordinary experience around happiness and mindfulness. But I asked I begin every conversation with what your dreams and aspirations might have been when you were young boy, in your case, you’re from Paraguay. Who did you think you wanted to be grow when you grew up?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  02:53

That’s a great question. My father was a doctor. So I always had that influence in my life. So I think is very common. I always saw myself also becoming a physician or doctor and helping people I remember seeing my dad helping people and diseases. So I thought that would be a great path career path for me. So yeah, I think that’s what I thought when I was growing up that I was going to be, I knew another thing that I always wanted when I was growing up was to come to the United States, I always was just really, that was a dream of mine that I always wanted to come here. Even before deciding to be a doctor I always wanted to be I was just fascinated by. So that was an eye thing that I was able to, you know, accomplish. I’ve been here most 35 years.

Achim Nowak  03:46

Like you I’m somebody who grew up in another country. I came to the States when I was 16. So I’m curious. What did coming to the United States represent for you. When you were born in Paraguay?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  04:00

You represented a lot of things. And my dad, like I said had a very thriving practice. He was the pioneer of HMO in Poway HMO in that country was created by my dad. So he had this big company, and I could have just simply stayed there. But I wanted to come here. So coming here just represented more opportunities. And at the same time, it was very scary because I had to just come and, you know, start from zero, I could just stay in the comfort of what I had at home. So coming here, it just represented a challenge, a dream coming true at the same time, more opportunities to do a lot of things. I remember when I first came, it was just like, oh my god, this is incredible. All the things that I hear, you know, Poway from that time was a different country but but yeah, so he represented all those things, challenges, dreams, opportunities. more opportunities to do whatever you want. Yeah.

Achim Nowak  05:05

I love the words, they use challenge, Dream opportunity. And I want to talk briefly about your pediatric life. But since then you have sought new challenges, you have pursued new dreams, and you have created new opportunities, even though it may look very different from what you thought it might be when you first came to this country. Right?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  05:25

Right, exactly.

Achim Nowak  05:28

Because a lot of our listeners are either in the midst of big transitions in their lives, or they would love to make a big transition, but are perhaps afraid. And you worked as a successful pediatrician in South Florida, you did very well. And then you decided to do something really different before we go to the different if you think about your life in pediatrics, and if you think, because for everything, they’re the moments where you go, Gosh, this is why I loved doing this. This was great. And then they’re usually the moments where why the hell am I doing this? This doesn’t feel good. Can you give us a snapshot of both?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  06:09

During their time in pediatric? Yes, please. Yeah, I think the times that I felt like, Oh, this is why I’m doing this was more tours, I would say during the beginning part of the career. And that’s only because it was a different time for medicine, it has changed how we practice, especially pediatrics at the beginning, the pediatricians were very involved, I remember when I first started, I would remember going to the hospital to do deliveries, to get the you know, when the baby was born, they hand it to you. And if the baby’s not breathing, you got to do something right there. And when you do that, you feel like really powerful to be able to help a baby. But as with time, the that was taken away. So be it the pediatric practice change to a different more general practice just at the office, and I go into hospital. So it became I would say a little more routinized. And I think that transition, I guess it kind of influenced me and kind of like, okay, I need new challenges, I need something, I want to do something different. But yeah, I remember that was the best part. At the time, I didn’t think it was the best part because it was like, Oh, my God, three of them the morning, get up and go. And I remember when I was I worked up north, in a small town in West Virginia for two years as the only pediatrician in town. And they were calling me at three in the morning to them. And you know, they have we have this premature baby and you have to go and you know, do everything for the baby until the helicopter from the next CD came to take the baby. So at that time, it was scary. It was like a lot of pressure. But looking back, I see that challenge was really, really make you feel alive.

Achim Nowak  08:01

But so what happened that got you to the place where you said, I’m done with this. I want to add the context, especially when you have a profession that is highly regarded. Yeah, I mean, you’re helping children, you’re a doctor, I’m assuming you were reasonably well compensated. So there’s a lot of stuff attached to having a very noble profession. And leaving that can be hard. So what got you to that point?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  08:31

I think it just became, and the word comes up as routine Ra. So even though you’re still doing the same thing, and still helping and being able to help a new mom or do something for a baby, or for somebody who’s sick, at one point, it just became very routine, it became something kind of the same thing every day. So I could still have gone continue to. But it came to a point that I was looking at the rest of my life. And I said, This is it. I’m gonna keep doing this, the rest of my life and I was in the feeling was not a good feeling. I would say at that time.

Achim Nowak  09:15

What drew you to mindfulness because I have a feeling they’re somehow connected. Because when we leave one thing, we kind of think about where we’re going to go right. Can you talk to us what drew you to mindfulness studying mindfulness, choosing to move into that? Something that you do professionally?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  09:34

Yeah, during the I always had problems with anxiety, you know, since growing up coming here, so So, yeah, that’s all. So what’s our time? I think there was around 2006 or so that I was just going through a period of a lot of anxiety maybe was because I wanted to do something or maybe because I couldn’t, you know, I saw my So how am I going to change what I’m doing? You know, a lot of stuff going on. And then a lot of the pressures of being a physician, there’s a lot of pressure involved in that. And, you know, so I really wanted to find something that could help me with that. And I knew there were, you know, you have seen psychologists, there were, you know, there were medications available, but I didn’t want to really go that route. So, that’s how I started looking into meditation. I remember I read a book by Keith Ferrazzi.

Achim Nowak  10:34

called Never Eat Alone. I think we took I know that book very well. Yes,

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  10:39

yeah. And in that book, he mentioned that he took a 10 day meditation retreat called Vipassana. Yeah. And I was like, what is that, and I looked it up. And it was, it seemed like a enormous challenge, a 10 day silent meditation retreat. So and I said, this is so this looks so hard, but it’s, it’s. So that’s how I started. That’s how I learned meditation. And that’s why I and then it made a big difference in the anxiety, which is the reason why I kept practicing. For months, I started mindfulness for myself to control manage the anxiety manage the stress of the of life, and because he was so useful to me, then that’s why I decided, later on to, to teach and to become training to teach mindfulness meditation.

Achim Nowak  11:33

When we make a big change in our lives, like, leave a profession, or at least full time, in a practice, it can push a lot of buttons and a lot of people. So I’m very curious, you’re married, you have a daughter, your family is used to you being cuando se Ray is the pediatrician. And, you know, all sorts of other doctors or pediatricians, how did people react when when you made what for many people is a radical life change?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  12:04

Yeah, I had all kinds of reactions, most of them were, uh, you crazy. That will be probably the most common reaction I had. So you had to go through that. And then if you try to explain to everybody, then you’re just gonna go back. So you just have to, okay, accept. And I say, yeah, maybe I’m crazy. But if so what? And then and then the reaction that I was seeing from the, from the other doctors who from a lot of people was, I wish I could do the same. I’m just tired. And I heard it from friends that were lawyers that were doctors, they said, I really want to do the same because I’m tired of the way we practice medicine with all the pressures of the insurance companies and legal stuff.

Achim Nowak  12:51

All I think of you and we both as at this point, serial entrepreneurs, we started a bunch of things. And I know when you’re a doctor, it’s it’s a business as well. But it’s you can more easily expect a flow of clients when you’re a doctor and you have a doctor’s office, right? And many people might be listening to us and thinking, Well, I’ve had a dream like one has this dream, I have this this thing that I like to start but God i What kind of advice would you have about suddenly becoming an entrepreneur, you studied mindfulness, you became a mindfulness teacher, you’re trained in this. But you really stepping into an unknown world? In many ways. What was that? Like?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  13:36

Yeah, I think the main challenge for me, even to this day, is that when I was practicing medicine, you know, you’re like you said, I had the structure day, I knew exactly how my day was gonna go, I knew I was gonna see a lot of patients, I had all these clients, and let’s say go customers, let’s say dry compare with the intrapreneurs, I had all these patients already coming in. Right? So I had that flow. So when you leave that, and when you go to become an entrepreneur or do other things, you lose that, and then you completely go into an unstructured day, basically, like, you have to structure the way you want it. And that was a challenge for me, because for 17, almost 20 years actually just having the base structure and laid out for me and the week and the month, go into like, okay, so sometimes for me, it was hard to find that discipline to just okay structure my day and be productive. And then that was an eye thing, what is being productive mean? So that was another thing that I had to overcome, because I think we there is a big misconception that if you are just active and moving and doing things, then you’re being productive and the reality is not that So I had to overcome that. And there were days, there wasn’t a lot to do for whatever reason. And then learning to not feeling guilty about that, and maybe using that downtime for self care, you know, and do things for myself, and not feel guilty about it. Because you gotta be proactive, you gotta be working, you’re gonna be doing that’s the pressure that we all have. And I think that’s one of the things that had to overcome.

Achim Nowak  15:29

What else did you learn about yourself, unstructured time, you gave us a glimpse already. But I feel like in many ways, there are two ways to look at either we become a different person, or we bring out things that were always there that we didn’t have to use before. But suddenly, we have to stretch different muscles, so to speak. So what did you discover about one when you’re pediatric structure was gone? And you jumped into? I think, every day being a new creation?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  16:03

Yeah, I think what I discovered was that if there’s no structure, or if there’s something there doesn’t suit you, then I could create that. And I had to believe in myself that I could create something that didn’t exist before. And one example of that would be the, the festival, the photography festival that you mentioned about, even though it was at the time, I looked everywhere, and they were no further street photography festivals in the world. And I said, Well, maybe I could create one. And then I was like, How can I create? How can that be? Yeah. But I always say to myself all the time, if I don’t do it, somebody else will do. So I might as well be me and do it the way I want. So I think I learned that about myself that if there is not what I want out there or what I’m looking for, then I could create it, and then see where it goes, you know, and I think that that’s what I learned about my son, I still doing it. Same thing with the app, launching now. It doesn’t exist. And I say, well, maybe I should create it.

Achim Nowak  17:17

So let’s dip a little bit into photography, and maybe a good starting point could be I’ve been to several of the steep street photography festival events. And in Miami, what you have created is spectacular. And it’s it exists on a large scale. And for our listeners, it brings in really famous photographers who show up for the street photography festival. So this is not a this is a pretty big thing that that you want have created. Can you just define for us what street photography is because I think of taking a selfie with my iPhone. And that’s probably what a lot of our listeners think about like I go to Hollywood Beach, which you photograph a lot next snap away. But what’s what makes something a photograph that’s worth remembering that street photography versus just a bad iPhone snapshot? Could you just define that for us?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  18:13

Sure. Yeah. I think in general terms, street photography is just taking candid photographs, meaning not pose not stage, candid moments in public spaces. So we call it street photography, but it could be the beach, it could be a country, it could be a museum, you know, a public public space. So that’s the street photography. So it’s just looking for those candid moments, in everyday life, in public spaces. And I always make that comparison with mindfulness. Because street photography is just going out on the street, right here in my neighborhood, and paying attention to what’s happening this moment. And if we pay attention, there are things happening that you photograph, there are moments little moments, photograph. But if you just go into the street or the beach or wherever and you don’t pay attention, then you don’t find those moments. Yeah. So street photography is about paying attention to those trivial ordinary moments that are happening all the time and making an image from that.

Achim Nowak  19:27

So did your interest in mindfulness lead you to street photography? Are they connected at all? Or how did you become interested in this?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  19:39

In street photography? Yeah, yeah, I think when I started probably not but I knew that the connection was there later on when I was trying to get better at it. I got started in street photography. I took a couple of workshops with the first one was Jay may sell photography on your I consider one of my mentors fantastic photographer, a great teacher, great mentor. And before I wasn’t taking pictures of people, because in street photography, 90% of it is, is people on public space, it could be some without people. But with reference to people in the photo, but I wasn’t taking pictures to people. And when I took that workshop, it was about connecting with people. It was about not just taking snapshots, people, he always said, when you take a picture of somebody, you have the absolute duty of make to make them look, yeah, or at least now making loopback. So if you can connect with people, then you do and in a way, it’s a way of connecting with people, or connecting with life, in a way. So that’s why I became more interested in that type of photography, because it’s about people and life and paying attention, and connecting without

Achim Nowak  20:59

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Juan Jose Reyes, MD  22:19

Yeah, I think it was a great privilege to have all this really world class photographers coming to my event during all this years and meeting them and learning from them and sharing, you know, in sometimes you have photographers that people don’t like, or people have this conception about them. And, and I sat with them to have breakfast and to have lunch, and talking about anything else, either photography, and then you get to know them. And then you their photography completely changes the view of the changes because I learned Yeah, I learned definitely how to be a better photographer. You know, I remember when I went with a photographer called Bruce Gilden, also famous in New York fame is a legend in street photography. He wanted to go to over town under the i 95. Overpass to work in a dangerous area. And he took me with him because he wanted somebody to translate. And he would just, he wanted a photograph, and he would just go through that dangerous area. And I was not ready to go to do that. But what I learned from that experience was that and he told me, when you really want to photograph, then you don’t when you really love with a photograph that you have in your mind that you want to take, then that replaces fear. And what I learned from that experience was that the opposite of fear is not courage, because they both can coexist. The opposite of fear is actually love. Because those are two emotions that can not coexist. So if you really love something, then fear is completely aside. So I felt fear that town so I don’t know if I would go that but you know, the lesson is like, if you have a vision in your mind, a photograph or whatever it is, if you love it, then fear kind of steps of island.

Achim Nowak  24:22

I just want to add for our listeners who don’t know Miami my Overtown is a neighborhood in Miami that has a beautiful long history, but then was really in some ways destroyed when they ran a public highway through it and public works really did a lot of damage to a very historic part of Miami, which is a great city that both you and I like a lot. I want to talk a little more about just because I think it’s a dream of so many people and you’re doing it. You’ve created this big festival. It’s recognized. Then you have An offshoot in Milan, Italy, sexy fashion city that’s also really successful. I know, this involves, you know, creating partnerships, getting funders, you know, it looks glamorous on the surface. But there’s so much work behind the scenes to create a big event that brings a lot of people together, can you describe to us just what it takes to pull off a big event like that, and, and what you’ve learned about pulling off great festivals like this?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  25:34

Yes, it’s definitely very difficult. It’s a lot of work where people don’t see. So and it takes a whole year of planning for the event to be successful. But it really comes down to what you said, it’s just creating partnerships. When I started looking for at the beginning or very beginning, I was started looking for sponsors and, and then I realized that sponsors is not the right term, because that involves a simply financial agreement. So what I really wanted were partners, people who really believe in the event, and they will put money, sure, that was important. But they also believe in the event, and they will do anything to make it successful in a long term relationship. So I always said, you know, this is long term, and I will give up a lot of things, just to make sure that is a long term that was important for me. Same thing happened with Milan, Milan, it was about partnerships and friendships with a great group of people, that became my friends, and that I really love now. And that’s why Milan was so successful because of the partnerships and the friendships that I developed. And I never, never signed a contract with anybody. It was always okay, let’s do this, and shake hands and say, I always work like that maybe wasn’t the best way. But I always work like that, because it was just a matter of trust. And I will just look up long term relationship with people that I want to.

Achim Nowak  27:02

There’s so much wonderful wisdom and what you just said, and I, again, I want to just from my own life, you know, I serve clients and very big global corporations, but in obviously, I’m there to do a service, but many of them become longtime, long term friends, you know, and relationships are not in these little boxes. And life is so much richer when when we hold that possibility, which you described so beautifully. And a vision for a long term. So you are launching photo y, which is, in many ways an extension of the street photography festivals, the relationships you have with great photographers, and it’s I’m just learning about it. But I see it as this incredible global background opportunity playground where, where people who maybe can’t come to Milan, they cannot come to Miami to the festival. But want to learn more about see free photography and get some some coaching and feedback from brilliant photographers can do that. I think it’s amazing. Can you just talk about that a little bit?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  28:12

Sure. Yeah, I would love to. It’s a great new platform that I created. I’ve been thinking about it for a couple of years, and this year was the perfect time to actually bring it into life. But this platform is actually not just limited to street photography, I wanted to create something that includes all genres of photography. So you know, we’re going to have landscape photographers and portrait and underwater photography, artwork, everything. Because I wanted to. And the reason why I created this is because I’ve been working with people taking workshops for the last 10 years. So people want to learn, people want feedback on their photos that people want to. That’s why they go to a workshop, they take photos, they bring it over there. And then they want the expert to tell him, Okay, this is not good. This is this is great. This is this doesn’t work. This is what I learned with Jay, when I took his workshop, he also he’ll tell me directly this, this sucks. You know, you need somebody will tell you that sometimes. And that was a great feedback for me. So and we don’t have that in the current photography apps. Definitely not on Instagram with which is created in a culture of just likes and comments that are just algorithm based. And people just manipulate that. So there’s no really good feedback on a photo. And it’s just getting a lot of likes, doesn’t mean that the photo is good. So I wanted to create something different. And this is what photo Why is people can post photos and expert photographers in their genres. Tell them why this is a good port or why this is not a good photo. What could be improved. They give it a rating from one to five, and they tell him why they gave him the rating. I gave it To because of this, because of that. So that’s, that’s what we call it fall away. So if you know the why of a photo, then you can learn to take better photos. That’s how. So that’s what the platform is really about. And it’s going to be there are going to be different many ways to learn in the platform, because we’re going to have, besides the experts rating and telling you the why, or photos, the people upload, we’re going to have daily live stream. So we’re gonna have all the photos in the platform, just keep free classes, free talks about photography, all the time. So at any time, and this is all going to be all for free, we can use the download and use the app for free. And then you can also buy personal lessons with those famous photographers that instead of taking a full workshop, which now it’s difficult to do, because it cost money or because people have to travel. Now they can take just personalized lessons and buy just one or two lessons at a time with this and have access to all this world class photographers that we’re going to have in the platform. So yeah, it’s I’m very excited about it. I have a lot of photographers already joining the platform, we’re testing when the final weeks of testing and is scheduled to be released, probably by the end of the month, yes.

Achim Nowak  31:24

Two thoughts I had is, you said this already for is something in you have an idea that nobody else is doing and some doing and somehow you are ready to jump in and make it happen, which not everybody can do. So I just wanna say that I really admire that about you. Because a second thought, remember what it was. But it if he had to describe the deepest satisfaction for you, of launching something big, because again, like the festival, I hear, there’s a lot of work behind the scenes that had to happen to Launch, to launch this platform. What’s the deepest satisfaction for you in watching this?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  32:09

I think, to me, even when I was doing the festival is just the the fact that I created when I was doing the festival, the fact that I created an environment where people can learn to be better in art, or at the same time, create something where they can show their art. To me that was very rewarding. So the fact that I There are a lot of people and groups of people that are learning to be better at an artistic form, with something that I’ve created is very rewarding to me. And I remember one of variance when we had the festival in Miami, we have this and you’ve seen this outdoor acts are really, really big prints two by three feet prints outdoor beautiful. And I go out there one time, and I was just walking around. And I see a guy there looking at one of the pictures. And he comes to me and says, Are you one and I said yeah. And he tells me this is my picture. And he was like about to cry and say I cannot believe that one of my pictures is in this exhibition in this format. And he was so grateful and so happy that his art was being exhibited later. That was such a rewarding thing for me that I was able to create something that would make him feel that way. I think that was very rewarding. And I think with the app, the same thing. I think it’s just about making it easier for people to get better at something. Yeah.

Achim Nowak  33:53

If you describe your I want to say your average day, but obviously there is no average day in how you live right now. So I understand that. But if you take a snapshot of a day in the life and one now versus a day in the life of one when he was a part of a formal pediatric office, how do those days feel different from each other?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  34:16

Very different, very different. They start very early because for the last six months, I’ve been developing this working with developers and their offshore so I had to kind of time difference and have meetings at like 630 in the morning or midnight. So it’s very different, but I always what I really like right now is that in the afternoon, I always make a point of going to the beach for a little bit. I know I have that advantage. We have that advantage. So I don’t want to miss that. So I try to make a point of going to the beach either to walk or ride a bike or take photos. And again, the challenge sometimes is not feel guilty About because it’s like the middle afternoon on a Tuesday, and I’m at the beach. And it’s like, should I feel guilty about this? So, but I think at the end of the day is what you have accomplished that day, and what you what you can offer that day work. Sometimes it’s more, sometimes it’s less, it’s just the way it is when we are doing our own thing. So I think it’s different that I can structure. And then if somebody calls me and says, Hey, you want to go grab lunch? Do you want to go do things, I have the ability to do that, that is just such a great thing. Because before, you can’t, you can’t have lunch with anybody during the week, you can go new to a lot of things during the afternoon. So if somebody calls in, Hey, you want to go ride a bike, you know, then I just, I can go and then continue later. I work at night I work at you know, whenever but um, so yeah, that’s what I would say that’s

Achim Nowak  36:00

based on what you know, now and what you’ve learned in your journey in life through multiple, also entrepreneurial adventures that which are continuing with photo, why? If you had a chance to whisper some wisdom and guidance into the ears of young one in Paraguay, not to change him, but what would you want him to know, to maybe reassure him or guide him or comfort him? Based on what you know now?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  36:28

I would say, yeah, just you know, you can do this, just trust yourself and keep going. That’s what I would say. And when you find the difficulties, I think it’s important to know that there will be difficulties, it’s not going to be easy. I think that’s something that when we find a lot of trouble and problems that okay, this is not working. And it’s like, you have to go through that you can skip the middle, I forgot. But you can skip the middle and the middle is messy is hardest. It’s terrifying is. So just go through the middle, and you’ll be fine.

Achim Nowak  37:06

That’s a wonderful quote to end on. Where would you like to direct our listeners who are more curious about the many different things you do like websites or social media platforms? Where should we do?

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  37:20

I would definitely I would love for people to check out www.photowhy.com. And right now it’s a it’s a teaser page, because we don’t want to do the full website until launch. But you can subscribe there so we can tell you when the app is going to be launched. I think Can you

I think that will be the website to go. If they want to check out the Miami street photography festival. They can just go to Miami street photography festival, or go to Miami Street for the photo FFL that org. I’m also on Instagram, they can find me there. But I think I would love for everybody to check out the app coming

Achim Nowak  38:11

out. Sounds great. So on that note, thank you so much for just really giving us a glimpse into your evolution and I would say continuing adventures in life. That was just a pleasure to listen to you.

Juan Jose Reyes, MD  38:29

Thank you again for the invitation. This was great. I really appreciate it. Bye bye. Thank you

Achim Nowak  38:41

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