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Rebel Brown  00:00

I can tell you that my head is still cracked from that glass ceiling that I was trying to break. This was 1981 wow. I was the only woman in the building that wasn’t an admin. Yeah, I was the only woman in every room that I was in. And by the way, I still am. Up until my last client, I was the only woman in the room at the executive levels.

Achim Nowak  00:26

Welcome to the MY FOURTH ACT PODCAST. I’m your host, Achim Nowak, and I have conversations with exceptional humans who have created bold and unexpected lives. If you like what you hear, please subscribe on any major podcast platform so you won’t miss a single one of my inspiring guests, and please consider posting an appreciative review. Let’s get started. I am absolutely delighted to welcome Rebel Brown to the MY FOURTH ACT PODCAST. For the last 35 years, rebel has been a growth accelerator for advanced technology startups. She has served as chief marketing officer. She’s led go to market launches for over 300 clients. She has authored two best selling strategy and leadership books. Rebel is passionate about applying the power of neuroscience for breakout results. I also know rebel as a passionate horse woman and serial owner of three horse ranches. Now, earlier this spring, rebel announced that she was going to sell her very dreamy LOOKING HORSE RANCH in Templeton, in the heart of California. And when I saw that, I knew we had to have a conversation. So hi rebel,

Rebel Brown  02:01

hi Achim. It’s such a pleasure to be here. We’ve known each other so long, and finally we’re doing this, my friend,

Achim Nowak  02:07

finally we’re doing this. And we know so many people who we both love and who all love you. So there’s a love field around this conversation. Just

Rebel Brown  02:18

want to it’s such a loving, energetically collaborative community that you and I have

Achim Nowak  02:25

right now, because you’ve had this illustrious life which you can create and expand and evolve. When you were a young girl growing up, you know, and you thought about what you wanted to do with your life. What were you thinking about? Rebel,

Rebel Brown  02:46

not a life I lived. I believe that, you know, I wanted to be an astronaut. That was my passion. I wanted to be an astronaut, but then I found out you had to have good eyesight, and I didn’t. I think that happened probably about seven or eight, and I can remember I was devastated. Well, then I decided I wanted to be a neurosurgeon, and I actually followed that path all the way into the beginning of college, and then realized that I had anxiety and I had ulcers and that all kinds of things coming up, right? And I switched to business and marketing just because it was there and it was storytelling. And I love to sell stories. So I basically got into this by accident, right? And the other thing I wanted was to be a cowgirl, because I had horses. I showed horses. My horses were my best friends, and we rode the range and shot Indians, and, you know, we were buffalo hunters. So that was the other thing I wanted to do, was to be a cowgirl. And that one came true.

Achim Nowak  03:50

It’s already such a romantic sounding story. It is now I think of you as one of the few gals, and I don’t mean this in a negative way, who was part of the boy culture in Silicon Valley was I was going on. Am I seeing that correctly? Rebel?

Rebel Brown  04:09

Yes, I would say that when I got into tech, which was basically I got out of school and I wasn’t sure what I wanted to do, and my advisor’s wife was in burrows, which was a mainframe, big computer for financial systems back in the day, and she’s like, come to work for me. So I did, I mean, it was an accident, right? And I sold big systems for six years, and then I decided I wanted to get into the marketing and the positioning, because that in the storytelling. So I went into that, but I can tell you that my head is still cracked from that glass ceiling that I was trying to break. This was 1981 wow. I was the only woman in the building that wasn’t an admin. Yeah, I was the. Only woman in every room that I was in. And by the way, I still am, when I was doing up until my last client, I was the only woman in the room at the executive levels. And frankly, I’m a little girl from a small town in southern Indiana that was never exposed to all of this. And I can tell you it was a shock, because I can remember, I had a big order from a huge mainframe, and I went to get the PO and the purchasing agent looked at me and said, Well, I’m not giving it to you unless you sleep with me. And I was horrified. You know, my little Off I go in my little high heels and my skirt in tears, and I go back to my boss, and I’ll never forget this. His response was, what’s the problem? Wow, right? And that’s how it was back then. And then it totally transformed through the years, right? And it became way better. I’m still I can count the number of women that have been in the executive teams with me, on my clients on one hand and 300 clients, it’s more accepting now,

Achim Nowak  06:03

because you have been very successful in that world. So what I’m thinking is, how did you adapt? How did you decide to show up? How did you present rebels so you could succeed in this boys

Rebel Brown  06:15

club? I didn’t. I stayed rebel. I did not adapt. I refuse to adapt. I still and you know what, with a name like rebel, which my mother named me for her grandmother and my dad’s grandmother, Rebecca, Elizabeth, and came up with rebel in a small southern town with a name like rebel, I can say exactly the same thing as somebody else does, and it comes out as confrontational because of the thing, it creates an impression. So I, you know what, my mama raised a young woman who believed that she could be anything and do anything, yeah, and that I was precious, so I basically just blundered out there the way I was. And it was interesting, because I had a lot of blowback from it, from me. I had a lot of, you know, unhappy bosses and men and really, and I don’t mean that negatively, it was just I was different in that day and age. Then I found my mentors, and they showed up to me in the strangest ways, but I found a group of highly successful Silicon Valley executives. One to name is a guy named Mike fields, who was the number two guy to Larry Ellison and built Oracle. And Mike was black, and he was the only black guy in Silicon Valley, and he tucked me under his wing, and he gave me work, and then he introduced me to another gentleman named Bill Janeway, who was running a huge fund for Warburg Pincus in technology. And Bill started using me. And then I learned met other VCs at Oak management, and others who were gentlemen who thought my power and precociousness was was amazing, who realized that I could, you know, for some reason, I had a gift. I could look at advanced tech and go, well, we should do this, and we should productize it this way, and we should go after this market, and we should sell it this way, and it was a gift. I can’t tell you how I did it, but I could do it. So I ended up in this nest of nurturing older men who looked at me as a gift instead of a threat.

Achim Nowak  08:25

Such a beautiful story, I think of my own life because I’m a successful as an executive coach. Exactly some of the clients I’ve been very successful with are, on the surface, completely different from me, but in what was explained to me, and I want to test this theory with you. Revel, I always said, So why am I so successful with these more traditional Christian Church, going, golf, playing, guys and none of those things? And I was always told, Well, you are the thing that’s missing inside of them, and they don’t know that it’s missing, but this is why they love working with you. So I’m just want to play with you the the fiery, outspoken, opinionated rebel, was that the part that they all wanted to

Rebel Brown  09:13

Yeah, I’m not sure about that. I would say, here’s what I would say about these gentlemen. And you know, there were two gentlemen at Oak management, Fred Harmon and ED glass Meyer. I call Ed my Uncle Ed, right, highly successful. But if you take the ones that I’ve mentioned and the other mentors I’ve had, I think what separated them is that they were so comfortable in their own skin. Yeah, in all cases, they were so highly successful that I was not a threat the rest of the world. I was a threat because, you know, I don’t want to brag. I was really smart. I’m gifted, as they would say, right? And I could process so quickly and find answers so quickly that. It was a threat to a lot of the people I worked with, and I did have to learn how to slow that down, right, because people couldn’t consume it fast enough. But I think with the key mentors who I adore to this day, Mike’s gone, unfortunately, they weren’t threatened by me. They were impressed by me, and they loved it because I was this smart, outspoken, 20 something year old woman that like nothing they’d ever seen, and they and I did great work for them, and I helped make them a lot of money, and I was fun and I and, you know what the other thing was, I think they appreciated the fact that I told them the truth. I didn’t whitewash it. I wasn’t, I was in the companies, but I wasn’t an employee, and I wasn’t trying to fight for position. I’d walk up and say, this thing is messed up. You need to fix this. You need to fix this. They’re not going to tell you. And I told them that. I told them the complete truth is, I saw it, and that was rare as well, because, you know, everybody’s always positioned. And that’s what I think is so powerful about consulting or coaching, right? You don’t have to play the game, that’s right. You’re not about positioning yourself in the business, etcetera. You are here to from your heart and from your what your skill set is to call, if you will call a spade a spade, right? And put the reality out there. And how you do that can be gentle or between the eyes, depending on the circumstance, but that’s what I think really led to the relationships, and I adored them, and they adored me, right? We just had a blast together.

Achim Nowak  11:38

I want to ask you an impossible question, but I know you can rise to the occasion if you had, because you’ve done some very cool work. And if you if you had to tell me just one story of a moment in that part of your career where you went, Wow, I love doing this. I understand why I’m doing this, I want to keep doing

Rebel Brown  12:02

this. Can I give you one that was personal, instead of about the business,

Achim Nowak  12:06

you give me whatever you want, rebel. So I

Rebel Brown  12:09

ran a business in Paris for three years, bringing European technology to the US. Yeah, and this was in 1997 ish, for three years, right? And I had a partner there that one of my French clients introduced me to. And there was a moment that I’ll never forget. And by the way, I’m walking around Paris, and venture capitalists are paying to have breakfast for me. And you know, I am the girl from Silicon Valley, and I’m, you know, I’m young, and it was an ego. It was so much fun, right? So much fun. But there was a moment when e stack launched, and E stack was the European NASDAQ, and I was in Paris for the party at the George song, and my partner was like, did you bring a dress? I’m like, what? So we go buy me this red dress, long red dress, right? And he takes me to this party, and I’m walking out into this ballroom at the George sunk, and I walk in, and the party is a black and white party. Everybody’s in Texas and black and white, and I’m in this red dress, and he leaves me up on this little entry stage, and every head in the freaking place turns, and it’s 95% men, and I’m standing there going, this is a moment, right? Yeah, because he set me up to be and all of a sudden they’re flooding to me. And they’re flooding to me because I’m the chicken the red dress. But then I start talking business with them. I had some of the most powerful business conversations with these guys. And here’s what was interesting. You know, you hear all this stuff about the French people, you know, they don’t they’re not friendly and all this stuff. They were more welcoming to me as a woman because I was smart and experienced than the US was at that time. But that’s one of my highlights. Because, you know, as a little girl, you always want to be the bell of the ball. It’s kind of the bell of the BC convention, right there,

Achim Nowak  14:11

right red dress Perez,

Rebel Brown  14:14

I get it, you know? Oh, my God, it was a kick. And, you know what? I met so many amazing and it was all men, right, like it was in the US. I met so many amazing men in Paris who loved me. There was one client, one person I worked with. There spoke no English, but he would speak French, and I learned to speak French. He would speak French one word at a time. And when he was done, Bucha, preneur, bucom, a right, he was such a class act, and that’s how it was. I was adored and respected more than I was in the US during that point in time.

Achim Nowak  14:53

I want to turn a corner in the conversation, because we’re at this pinnacle moment. And but you’ve also been very candid, at least with me, about how at some point you faced trauma. You use the word trauma. You saw how trauma had impacted you when

Rebel Brown  15:13

life got a little rougher. Yes, it did. Would you talk about

Rebel Brown  15:18

that a little bit Absolutely? Actually, I blog about it. I talk about it. I did a video yesterday on Facebook, and it’s all about that story. I had a moment I was madly in love with a man, and he was in love with me, and we’ve been together three years. Long story short, I found out he was married with five girlfriends. Wow. And it knocked me to my knees, because I thought he was the one, and I was 45 right, and I’d had a lot of men that I thought were the right ones, and they were skunks, right? And before I met him, I had helped. I had been through my mom’s care and death, my dad’s care and death, and then a dear friend of mine was diagnosed with AIDS and given two months to live. And I took him in, and I saved him. It took three years of hell. He’s healthier than i Well, he’s I’m as healthy as he is now, but it’s 20 something years later, and he is a Harvard case, right? He is amazing. He should have been dead. They gave him two months. So anyway, we thought I went down after I found out about this person, this man married man with, you know, mister, duty, honor and obligation with a wife and a girl in every port. And we decided I had PTSD from caretaking and, you know, trauma, etcetera. So I went into therapy and I went into EMDR and about this. The first session, all I did was rock back and forth, saying, I can’t take it anymore. I can’t take anymore. That’s all I did. The second session started out like that, and suddenly up came and for me, the EMDR train, which is they talk about, how you recover memories. The EMDR train was an image, a knowing and then the emotional hit up came an image of my grandmother torturing me when I was around four years old, unknowing of exactly what happened and my little girl’s horror and powerlessness, yeah, and it was as you can imagine, it was life Changing, because I had been programmed. My mind had become I had a happy childhood. Yeah, my dad and I fought my grandmother and I fought, but it was a happy childhood. So here I am now, and I knew, you know Achim, and you know this, you know it’s true. You know it in your body. You know it in your body, and I knew it. And so, needless to say, I’m devastated. I never forget. I went home and sobbed, and because it all came up, it all started to come up. So, long story short, I went into EMDR. I kept doing an EMDR twice a week for now couple hours, every time, and more and more revelations pulled up, and I didn’t get the, you know, it was interesting, because I knew that what it was, but what I transferred was my little girl’s emotional hit and the horror, right? I mean, they had a torture chamber. They had a seller that they tied me up in and left me. I mean, it was, there’s six stuff I won’t share, right? They tried to kill me multiple times. I realized that the emotional hit was primarily and this took me a while. We’re going to, you know, this is just the journey. I suddenly realized I had always been I had to be perfect, yeah, alright, I had to be perfect, which made me great in business, because I drove everybody else nuts, but by God, it was perfect, right? And if I wasn’t perfect, I was a wreck. I’d go home at night, and I got went home a lot of nights because I could never be perfect, and sobbed because I wasn’t good enough. And yet, everybody else is telling me how amazing I am, right? And what I came to realize was that they blindsided me. It wasn’t a consistent abuse. It was when I wasn’t perfect, and perfect was based on their definition, yeah. So what my unconscious mind did, and this is part of how I got into the neuroscience. My unconscious mind equated perfection with survival, yeah, and imperfection with potential death. Because I’m telling you, you know, I begged God to let me die as a kid because I couldn’t take it anymore. So here is this skewed, strange wiring in me, yeah, that I didn’t. I didn’t really understand it until I went on the journey, because I realized that EMDR was making me worse and worse, it was not helping me. I got so powerless I couldn’t get out of the house because I’m in printing in a hypnotic state, my little girl’s emotions of terror and horror, etcetera, right? So I went on my own journey. To find my own healing, and I studied anything and everything about the mind. I went to various people, and I finally found somebody that had the answers and a blend of ancient wisdom and alchemy. Because, you know, the ancients knew more about our minds and how to create and manifest that we do, right? They were, they were, they were empowered, and it was hidden from us, because, God forbid, we have an empowered people, right? But, and this, I met somebody that literally lifted my horror out in two hours and afterwards, and I’ll never forget looking at him, going, Oh my God, how did you do that? And he said, magic. And so I went away, and then I came back, and I looked at him and I said, I want to learn this. And I did. I spent a lot of time, and as part of that, I cleared myself, and I knew, you know, it was interesting. I knew when the memories came up that I was destined to help other people. Yeah, because you don’t go through that and then have the life I had to not have a purpose behind it.

Achim Nowak  21:10

Achim, now, now what I’m wondering, as you tell this extraordinary story, during this time, were you consulting, keeping up a business front, or how did you make all that

Rebel Brown  21:25

work? Well, there was the Okay, so, there was the conscious side right that my mom, after my mom caught my dad, she took over my life, and I was her precious one. She took care of me. She took me to piano lessons. I was a concert pianist. By the time I was, you know, 1415, years old. She gave me a safety blanket, and I actually had a therapist say that that was unbelievable, right? So I have this conscious mind straight A’s full ride disco, you know, this whole thing going on, right? And my mom said to me after she caught my dad, and we’re going to not talk about this anymore, and we’re going to forget it and only remember nice things, 14 year old little girl. That’s exactly what I did. So I am out there charging being this amazing, gifted, precious one that my mom has created, right? And then I’m going home, and I’m sobbing because I’m not good enough. I’m tortured because I wasn’t perfect. I am a wreck and telling horrible stories to myself and looking for answers and and, you know, I have a minor in philosophy from college. I had an extra semester, so I got a minor in philosophy. My parents had books on every religion and every philosophy in the world, and I read them. So I’m out looking for answers to this tortured and I’m doing you name it, I did it and nothing stopped it until the memories came up. So I had this bifurcated life that I didn’t share with the world, right? Yeah, people only knew the rebel that was powerful and successful in a force of nature? Yeah, I didn’t. I shared the other side with close, close friends, but nobody else you

Achim Nowak  23:12

talked about the childhood, but where, as more mature woman, where did your love of horses come in? You owned a bunch of ranches. We need to talk about horses. Talk about that, please. I

Rebel Brown  23:25

grew up in a house in town, but my grandmother had a ranch, you know, 10 miles away from town, had a farm. We call them in Indiana, where we grew tobacco corn and Black Angus cows. And I had a pony from I was horse crazy. One of my best friends had horses. And at five years old, I got no at four years old, I got a burrow named Clementine, because what do burros do when you kick them? Nothing. They just stand there. So I Clementine. So I tell everybody I got my seed on a burrow right my seat. Then when I was six, they bought me a Shetland pony who turned out to be the meanest thing that God had ever put on the planet. Bucked me off, and the grandmothers had heart attacks. Bucked my dad off. Nobody ever wrote her. We brought trainers, and nobody could ride her. So then I got pepper, who was a Western pony, bigger paint, and he was the sweetest, most gentle soul, and he and I, from the time I was about seven until I went to college, we chased Indians and we rode the ranch and we went down the roads and and I realized in the midst of The horror that I couldn’t talk about, he was my empathic healer. That’s one of the reasons I got I’m trained in empathy, in in empathic healing with horses, because they are healers. They are the most amazing healers on this planet. So, you know, here I am. Then I got another horse that was a little better than pepper to show and it just kept going, right? Right? But I know now I still, you know, I have my horses here and there. They are my heart friends, but I think a lot of it was because they were empathic. And even my girlfriend, Rachel and Gretchen had horses. And I know it really right. They were healing me, even though I didn’t know it. Achim, so I think the passion came from a way fun B, want to be a cowgirl, which I work, sell, show, work in cowards, etcetera, but also because they were my healers and my refuge as a child,

Achim Nowak  25:32

even what we just talked about. And you know, the reason I reached out to you a few months ago because I get the power of horses in your life. You own this gorgeous ranch. It’s my dream, Templeton. But what really got my attention? You said publicly, well, I’m a 66 year old woman. You just turned 67 and you’re public about it. And you said, I’m going to sell this ranch, because it’s the dream of a 40 year old woman, and what I loved about it was so powerful, because I think that story can apply to so many of us. But I also get, as I’m listening to you, how much courage it might take to sell the ranch. Would you talk about that insight?

Rebel Brown  26:21

Well, you know, it’s not like I’m going to not go buy another Ranch, yeah, right, when I move I’m going to buy another ranch. But this ranch is large. I can board 20 horses here. Yeah, the house is my dream house. I’ve always wanted to log home. And my dear friend who I came to help with the ranch is an architect who built this space, and then he never got to finish it, because he got sick. And then his My dear friend, Stephanie, his wife, got sick, and then she passed away. And, you know, life happened. So here I am finishing this place, and it is stunning. It is absolutely stunning. And I’m on this ranch, and I read, you know, we revived the ranch, and I’m sitting here one day, and I realized that, you know what, I’m in this huge house, bouncing around with me and my three dogs, and it echoes, and it needs a family. I am on this ranch that, yes, I love it, but I don’t want a boarding I don’t want to run a boarding facility. I don’t want to have the work and time associated with that, right? There was a time I did, but it’s not now. Now I want, you know, a ranch where I can have my horses, where I can enjoy my life, or I can spend time with the horses instead of fixing barns fences. Mo, it’s never ending. And you know what? It was not difficult for me to give up on it. Achim, because it was this was the specific instance, especially this house. But now that I have it, this house is a show place. It’s not a home to me. The ranch is this stunning property, but I want something smaller that is not this built out. Here’s all these barns and all these I have 1234569, barns on this ranch. I don’t want nine barns. I want one right

Achim Nowak  28:21

now. You’ve already mentioned neuroscience, and I know as part of your journey, neuroscience has become really important to you. Yes. How has it become important to you?

Rebel Brown  28:39

Well, you know, Achim, if you study philosophy, and especially ancient philosophy, there’s a lot in it about the power of the mind, right? And so I got into neuroscience and the science side of it, because advanced tech, neuro, you know, I love deep tech and complex technology, and our brains our technology, right? So I got into the neuroscience stuff, and then a while back, right? Yeah. Then as I was moving through, you know, my journey of recovery, of finding myself again, I got exposed to an extension of that in mind, methods and everything from, you know, ancient wisdom to NL, you know, all the modern methods, to all of these things that are all around the power of the mind. And it was such an interesting blend, because I could read and listen to those ancient to that teaching that was more, let’s call it spiritual. And I could also blend in the science and what I came to realize, which, by the way we all have heard, and we’ve heard it from all kinds of people about you are what you think. I came to understand exactly how our minds create our reality, our in. Individual realities from the quantum world around us, because I’m working with quantum computers and quantum fields and quantum science, and all of a sudden it all gelled to me that we are powerful creators. We are quantum computers. Our unconscious mind is tapped into the energy fields around us, and it basically, here’s a little story that got me hooked. We take in this is all data too. It’s more than that. Now we take in 11,000 bits of data a second, sensory data, our unconscious mind filters it, not our conscious mind, right? And it filters it based on what we believe and know to be true, which are programs that are created by experience and what we’re told, right? Doesn’t mean they’re real. Just means no two of us have the same program, so no two of us pick the same data, right? But from that 11 million bits it picks, are you ready for this? 127 bits to give your conscious mind? Now I’m a scientist, if I’m only picking 127 out of 11 million? How many other realities are in that 127 that I didn’t pick because my programs didn’t let me because it deletes everything else or it reforms it to match your belief. So what I realized was that the gentleman that I worked with for so long, he understood how to reprogram our unconscious mind, and that’s what he did with me. He took the pieces that had created the trauma and the trauma responses, and re had my unconscious mind reprogram to what the reality was it is now. And all of a sudden, I started picking different data, and my life changed tremendously. And I just went through something similar. You know, a dear friend of mine called me on it and said, you know, rebel, you’re stuck in being sick. You’re stuck in scarcity, right? And you’ve had some rough stuff. You need to reprogram it. And you know what? He was, right? And you know you get you’re the frog in boiling water, right? You don’t know you’re boiling. I spent the last two months using my techniques, rewiring my mind. Yeah, and you know what I am now in an amazingly abundant, healthy, so healthy place. I’m healthier than I’ve been in 15 years, and it’s happened in the last three weeks. And you know what we can define what we want in our lives, and create it and manifest it we can. And I am convinced I am living proof of that. I have clients who are living proof of that. I have entrepreneurial clients. I have coaching clients. I had mind mastery clients. We are powerful and we have not been taught that that is the truth. Because, again, who wants an empowered mass population, not the powers that be.

Achim Nowak  32:46

As you think about your future and all you talk about is power, the mind and creation, what does rebel envision for herself like, what will make your life sweeter, gentler, more vibrant, whatever you wanted to

Rebel Brown  33:03

be. You know, first of all, I made the decision not to go back into tech anymore. I’ve walked away from my tech business because it has changed yet again, the integrity is not exactly what it was. My dear, dear mentors have retired, and frankly, the last three clients I had were bad, worse and disgusting, and I just decided to walk away. And that was a huge decision, Achim, because I was one of the top 100 women in computing. I was the bell of the ball. I was the, you know, the marketing Maven in Silicon Valley. Yeah, I don’t want to do it anymore. It’s not who I am, it’s who the other person that was me is. So, you know, I’ve made the decision that I’m going back into my entrepreneurial I’ve coached all along, but, you know, and I’ve coached with the mind since I came came back with that knowledge that I’m really going to focus on two things. I’m going to I’m going to focus on entrepreneurs, and I’m going to focus on unleashing success for entrepreneurs with my business skills, with my mind. Because, you know, some of it’s business skills, a lot of it is, you can’t do that. Who do you think you are? You’re not good enough. I forget that, that I can take that out. I’m doing that, and I’m building, I’m actually building that those programs right now I’m getting, I’m writing a book, but the other thing I’m doing is a dear friend of mine, while I was sick, sent me a product that’s called rain, and it’s a seed based nutrition. And I got on that product, and I got better so much fast, and I realized our nutrition in this world sucks our food, and maybe not as bad in Europe, but in the US, our food is disgusting. So I made, you know what? I’ve never done it in my life, but I went to work with my friend. You know, he came out of retirement to build this business, and I am doing network marketing. Never right, and he doesn’t do it the way you think of it, right? I am basically. Building my own little business to help people heal themselves now, their business, their mind and their body. And you know what? If you’d asked me a year ago if I was going to do any of those things, I’d have told you no, because I was going to go back into tech, right? I’m following my heart Achim instead of my shoulds.

Achim Nowak  35:24

There’s so much that’s powerful in your story, but what really speaks to me is that what you’re doing today, a year ago, was not in your consciousness, and the fact that you can get from there to here, gorgeous. I hate to wrap up this conversation, but I want to leave with this if, if anybody’s listening, and it’s going, Gosh, I want to learn more about rebel. I want to connect with her. I want to communicate with her. Where do you want to send them? Rebel?

Rebel Brown  35:53

Send them to my website. And by the way, I haven’t updated it with all of this. It’s still heavily focused on the mind mastery, but I’m in process. Rebel brown com, that’s the easiest way to find me. If you want to find me on Facebook or LinkedIn, it’s rebel Brown. I am rebel brown everywhere. My email is Rebel at rebel brown com, eight.

Achim Nowak  36:15

That is what I would call very clear and consistent marketing. Well done. Rebel you’re radiating amazing energy. I’m glad you’re well. I was inspired just listening to you today, and I know you’re little

Rebel Brown  36:27

bit Bless you. Bless you. Thank you. Achim, you know you are so special, and I am so grateful for the opportunity to chat with you always. Bye for now.

Achim Nowak  36:39

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