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Susana Cor de Rosa  00:00

It was really going deep, deep, deep into no self love, and I really want to change my life. So imagine what the universe brought. Okay, let’s put it to the test, and the most test is, what can you hold and what you need to let go in order for the next thing to emerge that burned out, it was the best thing and the worst thing in my life.

Achim Nowak  00:29

Welcome to the My Fourth Act Podcast. I’m your host, Achim Nowak, and I have conversations with exceptional humans who have created bold and unexpected lives. If you like what you hear, please subscribe on any major podcast platform so you won’t miss a single one of my inspiring guests, and please consider posting an appreciative review. Let’s get started. I am so delighted to welcome Susana Cor de Rosa to the My Fourth Act Podcast. Susanna is a specialist in energy healing and quantum energy. She is a mentor, a teacher, and an author of three books before Susanna fully devoted herself to this work, she practiced law for a little while. Susanna is based in the Lisbon area and conducts her work around the world. Welcome Susanna,

Susana Cor de Rosa  01:37

thank you, Achim, for this lovely introduction in this beautiful land where we are together. At the moment, obrigado,

Achim Nowak  01:47

Susana and I both live in the Lisbon area. We have met socially about three months ago, so I have a little bit of background information about Susanna, but I’m also excited about learning more, and I’m always curious, and I start every podcast this way. When you were a young girl or teenager growing up, did you have an idea of what you wanted to be in life?

Susana Cor de Rosa  02:17

Well, when I was a young girl, I was really introvert and shy, and my time was spent outside, because I was living in a farm, and I speak with birds and trees and to the skies, and I really felt connected with nature, and I really felt that urge about education and learning, and I also felt this sensation about writing. So imagine when you have a pen and a paper and you feel just like, this is precious. This is something so unique that I can do something magical with that. So it was more or less this energy about being in nature, connected with Mother Nature, with the sky, and being really attentive to something beautiful, which was writing and learning and connecting with others, that I believe it was more or less about teaching and connecting the realms of the spirit and the world here on earth that was more or less developing, since I was a girl. Well, you

Achim Nowak  03:24

already mentioned a word that I think we’re going to talk about some more, which is the word magical, and how we create magic. But I know that you had some traumatic events when you grow up that shake you, and maybe some of the choices you made. And I think we live in a world that is so full of trauma, and if we don’t acknowledge trauma or face it, we’re forever prevented from moving on. So what are some things you had to face in your family, your life, that shaped your early life decisions?

Susana Cor de Rosa  04:00

I really am grateful for this question, but first of all, I would like to give my notion about trauma. Trauma, for me, it’s a kind of ritual of initiation that our spirit and our ego bonds together in order to make us progress. And my first trauma was in my mom’s womb, because we had an earthquake, and my mom felt it so in Lisbon, in 69 my mother was pregnant, and there was a big earthquake, and it was shaky for her. And then I had a normal birth, but my father passed away because he’s suicide when I was two and a half years and my mother got widowed with five children. Wow. So suddenly everything got worse and painful for her, and she needed to feed us, to educate us, to provide for us. And even though she had some family nearby, she was having to deal with everything she could not mourning because she need to have the children to fed. And my mother found her job in a bench at GERD in the loose because she was crying with us. She was needing a job, and it was really painful for her. But I believe my story of life and my mother’s and my family is interconnected into kindness, into synchronicities and into a glorious aliveness when we are walking with courage and strength. So after this, my mother start working. She works. She’s juggles three jobs, and she start flourishing, and also being a little bit of rebel, fighting for her own rights in terms of jobs, taking care of their kids, creating us as very, very strict with rules and with values. So it was just like this introvert girl in a world full of men, which were my brothers, because I have four brothers, and still being put into this world with a voice that I couldn’t speak so much because I was a little bit shy, and my mother was always dealing with this strength energy, putting ourselves into the rules you need to do that. If you don’t do that, you won’t have that, which was really beautiful. But what I felt in this traumatic experience about my father and all about these laws was really about the definition about who you are, when you miss a father figure, who you are, when you need to overcome your mother’s identity as a widow, and you need to stand up for yourself, because your mother always stand up for her kids.

Achim Nowak  07:02

Whenever I hear the word suicide, because I have a brother who committed suicide, I think of how that impacted my family. And we’re not going to do a deep dive into that. That’s a whole other podcast. But one thing that struck me when you talked about, I don’t want to label you, but I heard nature oriented, introverted, spirit connected, and I know that you initially became a lawyer, and those things don’t connect in my mind. What drove you to say, Hey, I think I want to be a lawyer.

Susana Cor de Rosa  07:39

Giving you a little bit of context, I was really rebel with my mom in my fourteens and fifteens, in my adolescent because my mom was really strict, and I was the woman and I need to provide in terms of family with my work. So I was studying, I cleaned. I help her and my brothers, because they were men, they could go out. And I was really feeling this sense of this is not fair. So I was really rebel with her. And every time that I was thinking about my life, I was thinking about being independent and having my own thoughts and having my own way of living, and I was pushing through with my mom and my brothers, they were not on my level. They were living their own life. And what I felt it was when I was 14, when I was near a gas station, I heard a voice that said to me, would you like to study more? And I said, Yes, I’d like to study more. So this led me to continue to study and go to what we call here the pre university studies. I went there, and my best grades was in law. Introduction to Law, I had 17 values, 17 in the scale of zero to 20. And that struck me as maybe this is a clue. But then I went to a different a different perspective, because we didn’t have much money. And then I started working. And I did a course related with health, which was a model technicians. So I was working with kidney patients in health, and it was really strong, because you need to have big, big, big, big capacity to hold on so much suffering. So I was there holding into all that suffering, but speak with patients, speak with people who were suffering, and at the same time, I was holding into my dreams because I didn’t know exactly what to do. And it was nice, because what we to write to law. It was not the common path. It was a mixture between pain. That pride, pushing through independence and synchronicities pain. So I was feeling not fulfilled, even though I was in a job that I was doing, which was in this center with a model patients. But I couldn’t evolve more in terms of career slash, not earning more. Yeah, my boyfriend, at the time, was always comparing me with other women, Oh, the other has a university degree or the other that. And I was just like, I don’t put up with this. No more. I’m going to go and do my stuff. And then at the same time, once I was in a bus station, and a friend of mine appeared, and she said, Oh, I’m studying law, and I’m doing this. And then it comes the little ego, but slash the ego, mixed with your soul. If she can do that, I can do better. And then I went to law, and when, also, because I was seeing those movies, you know, on the TV where the ladies, the lawyers, were very powerful and very pretty.

Achim Nowak  11:09

And they were they look great.

Susana Cor de Rosa  11:11

Yes, they look nice. They look amazing. They are powerful, they are pretty. They have everything, right? They have every they figured it out, everything. So I say, Oh, this is for me, okay. But when I finished law, I knew something bigger was coming. Because when I finished law, my mom told me that my father, who passed away, that always loved law. And then it hit me just like, Oh my God. I didn’t know what something in me was also being called for that dream. So it was just like a kind of a mixture, and I always wanted to help people. So instead of helping people in the health care system, that was too much for me, my idea was I will help people, but on the other side, being not so exposed of so much suffering and of so much pain, which was not true, we’re

Achim Nowak  12:14

going to get into the the healing work you do right now. But because this is a podcast where about how we get from one stage of life to the next, and how do we make transitions? It’s called the fourth act. So how do we get to the next act? I’m going to ask a very dumb question, but to me, it’s not obvious how a lawyer then ends up being a quantum energy healer. That’s a big leap. I’m sure people ask you all the time, I would imagine there’s a journey and an evolution. But how did you go from being a lawyer to saying, Oh, I’m a quantum energy healer.

Susana Cor de Rosa  12:51

My life is not linear, because before I was a lawyer, I was studying health and I was the health Yes, it doesn’t have anything to do with lawyer. First of all, it was all about transformation. So in my last year of law, I was I had a burnout, because I was working a lot. I was sleeping almost nothing. I was studying, working. My relationships were a little bit in turmoil, and my boyfriend at that time became really abusive and aggressive. It was really going deep, deep, deep into no self love, and I really want to change my life. So imagine what the universe brought. Okay, let’s put it to the test, and the most test is, what can you hold and what you need to let go in order for the next thing to emerge that burned out, it was the best thing and the worst thing in my life. The worst thing I couldn’t sleep, I couldn’t eat. I was crying a lot, but still, I need to finish my graduation, and I didn’t know how to manage that, but I could, no matter what I could, but in the end, I felt empty. I felt not assured. I felt nothing was working, and no sense of life. Just like I work so hard, I did so much. I was doing everything that I can do. I was one of the best students of my course. So what? So what? No relationships, no victories, no glamor. Always me broken and with a sense of, I’m lost no possibilities. And thinking about, is this really life? And then a colleague of mine started saying, why don’t you try different approaches? And a person who was on the place where I was working with hemodialys said. Just me, why don’t you go to Reiki? And I said, my goodness, I’m getting mad. I don’t know what’s happening in my mind. Everybody’s pushing me through. I started to heal myself, and I started to work on quantum healing. First, I was introduced to the back shopper in terms of books and with work of Doctor amit goatswami, who came to Portugal many, many years ago in 1990 672, 1000. And I was doing workshops with him and my mentor, which was Christian aguas. She was a French lady, and she was doing this work about inner transformation. And she was always telling me, you can handle it, but all the participants could do everything, and it looks like I was unable to do the normal spiritual tasks. So I was the ugly duck instead of the Swan,

Achim Nowak  15:52

what we call the black sheep, like the black sheep.

Susana Cor de Rosa  15:55

Yes, I was feeling more or less like that, right? But what really got me into this marvelous work in order to heal me was pain and God felling on my lap. Just to introduce you, white pain and God falling on my lap are connected. The majority of people think about an awakening. Oh, I see angels, and I see everything, and everything is beautiful. For me was not that. For me, it’s all about growing from the previous skin and liberate I was having this boyfriend, and it was really painful, and I was at home suffering a lot, and one night, I was hating the guy so much that I was shaking and I couldn’t sleep or eat. And then something came to me, a kind of a voice and said, if you continue to wait the guy, you will lose yourself forever and out of nowhere, I knew it was true, and I said, No, I’m not going to give this guy who hurt me so much all of my energy. I need to take care of myself, and this was my third first starting point to go to spiritual awakening, because I started listening that voice, and I started meditating by myself. And then I start having just like synchronicities. I found that lady Christian Agus. Then I went to Paris to visit a friend who gave me a book of the power of subconscious mind, and then I start moving and moving and never stopped. Why I went to law and why then I did this transition, because suddenly I fell in love for another dimension of myself that was not fulfilled and contained in books, in rooms, well, something that was conventional.

Achim Nowak  18:06

I so love the phrase you just used. I fell in love with another dimension of myself, and I know what that means from my own life. You also earlier talked about really learning to love yourself, and one of the people that had an influence on me was Louise Hay which is all about her work is about learning to love ourselves. So I want to connect this to the work you do with the clients you support. It’s clear to me that you’ve had to work to discover a deeper love of you. So how do you, Susanna, know your own self love, and how do you help the people you support discover more self love? If

Susana Cor de Rosa  18:52

it is okay, I would like to go a little bit. Oh, okay, okay. I fell in love for this work in terms of quantum healing, love myself and help others. When I was 30, I was already in law, so I start doing both taking care of me, helping clients, and at the same time being a lawyer. And then one day, I was transitioning from working only by myself to a law firm with two or three more colleagues, and when we were writing the statutes of the law form, one of my colleagues had a sciatic pain, and he couldn’t move, and he was in pain, with severe pain, and then he said, Come to my house To write the statutes, because I cannot move, I cannot do anything. And I went there with other colleagues. And while we were writing, I said this to my colleague, a lawyer, an old one, just like the old guard, just like very mature, very yet I’m the one. He was the head of the office. And I said, Can I help you with that sciatic pain? And he’s just like, What can I help you to overcome that you’re not a doctor. I have the injections, I have the pills, I have this, I have that you cannot help me. And I said, with my kind of well, if you want to try. Are you in pain a lot. You want to try. Okay, you’re not, but I’m going to try. So I set him and I start doing the healing process. And while I was putting my hands on him and doing my work, I start listening. Such a pity, to be a lawyer and have a law firm, you are a healer. What are you doing here? And I was continuing, and the voice continuing because we were doing the status for the law firm, right, and I was still continuing. And then by the middle of the process, I say, I already listen, and then I continue to do when I am that just for fun, the guy was walking without pain, and then he told me, I don’t know what you do. I don’t want to know, but I’m okay. Yeah, how? I got to know that it was not being a lawyer, that being a healer. Just put you into context how it came to me,

Achim Nowak  21:29

it’s such a beautiful story, and I want to just respond with one from my own life. This is about the different roles we play in life, but also, how do we know the one that’s maybe the deepest role for us that was a pretty famous actor in New York. I can mention his name, Arnie Kolodner. He also was a magician, but he was getting acclaim as an actor. But a side thing he did is something like he was a healer, and he would heal by moving energy fields he wouldn’t touch, but basically I he did some private sessions with me, which changed my life. So this is funny thing, because Arnie was this famous actor, and just last year, Arnie went on a tour to China doing his magic show. And most people don’t know that Arnie is this amazing healer who changed my life, right? So what strikes me about your story is that you had the courage to fully at some point, embrace that part of you and run with it. Because we all have our own version of it. We may not all be healers, but our job is to notice and listen and have the courage to move forward with it, right?

Susana Cor de Rosa  22:44

Yes, yes. So it was really beautiful. And I remember also when I was a lawyer and I was also being a healer on at the same time, and one friend of mine told me, I want to send you my my daughter, because she’s having a divorce, and I want you to help her and to do the divorce, because I know you’re special. Okay, she sent me the daughter, and while I was taking care of all those things related with the process, the the children, all of those things that I knew from from heart, she started to tell me and crying that she could not sleep. And every time the children were with the Father, they got sick, and she didn’t know how to handle that. So I was there listening, and I said, Oh, I’m going to do a small exercise just with you, to calm you down and to help you. So I asked her to close the eyes, to do an exercise, and while she was breathing and doing a small exercise, I was helping her. Three weeks later, she come back and say, Hey, doctor, Susanna, I’m okay. All is fine. My kids never got sick again. All this fine. I’m managing, I’m I’m doing okay. I found a new job, and on that day, I also realized that a lot of people could could be lawyers. It was just like that. But I felt such a high experience, such a high loving experience while I was helping her

Susana Cor de Rosa  24:26

that I couldn’t get a notice what I was being called to do.

Achim Nowak  24:33

I want to ask you an impossible question, and it’s okay if you can’t properly answer it, but sort of, I’m sure people ask you all the time, like this lawyer did. So, so what exactly do you do? Susanna, can you explain like you’re an energy quantum healer, but what do you actually do? So when people ask you, what do you actually

Susana Cor de Rosa  24:57

do? Well, what I do? I. Fell in love for the people that I have in front of me, and let something special that exists within and all around us, and we can call it just like the quantum field. And through my observations, through the way that I perceive that field, through the way that I perceive reality, I restart the communication. Because for me, the quantum healing is all about understanding the deep communication that needs to exist between yourself and yourself, yourself and the quantum world, yourself and others, and yourself and nature, and if there is a misalignment in terms of quantum particles, if there is a misunderstanding, things cannot be aligned. So it’s about restoring the communication in a deeper level, in terms of fields of energy in terms of quantum communication between cells, it’s all about restore the communication with yourself and with your organs so that they have a proper language and the proper field of communication in order to restore balance, love, joy, fulfillment, or in a deeper meaning, wholeness and authenticity.

Achim Nowak  26:29

I totally got that explanation, and I love that. And I’m sure our listeners are still going that makes sense. But so how do I create that alignment? How do I actually do that? And again, these are all I know, tough questions and yes without maybe clear, simple answers. But so how do you go back? How do I go back to wholeness and alignment?

Susana Cor de Rosa  26:58

What I do with myself? And I suggest, because this is a pointing away. Is restarting the communication. It’s all about observing yourself as a creator of reality. Yeah, and this could not be simple, but when you observe yourself and you allow yourself to be the queen and the king of your experience. You connect with something beautiful. Yeah, you’re feminine and your masculine energy, because we all have feminine and masculine energy. They start to communicate, they start to embrace themselves, and you start the dialog, who am I? What do I need? What do I want? What are my wishes? What are my dreams? What am I allowing or not allowing into my life? So this is a process of you just go into your heart, lower the resistance and surrender to something bigger than you that loves you so deeply that is already felling in love for you, if you let it and then get out of the way. Yeah, which is not

Achim Nowak  28:19

easy, just energetically our I felt good just listening to you. Just I want you to know that that explanation, since you spoke very honestly and powerfully about having had an abusive boyfriend, I have had the pleasure of briefly meeting your husband, Manuel, who I don’t know well, but he struck me as a very special soul, and I was struck, this is my observation, but then I want to hear from you as I watched you two engage with each other. If I had to label what I saw was a very respectful love that was it’s like a respectful dance between two souls who, at the deepest level, are vibrating with each other. That’s what I saw. I know you came from abusive relationship. How did Manuel show up in your life? How did that happen?

Susana Cor de Rosa  29:24

This is also a magical question for me, so I believe I can help women and men in this field. Yeah, because I have overcome so many hurdles. So it’s just like I am robust. Yes, not because I am a an abstract person, but because I have walked so before Manuel came, I had just like a big relationship more or less of 21 years, and it was beautiful. It made me grow a lot, but when it ended, I really need to confront my. Fear about being alone. It was my first time that I was alone, without mom, without brothers, without being at home, and I was 42 and for me, it looks strange at 42 you are afraid of being alone, but I needed to confront that fear, and I didn’t want to put any man in my life just because I was alone. So I was dealing with all the ghosts and sins and treasures on my armor that I need to open. And at the same time, I discovered that even though I was saying I want a boyfriend slash a lover slash a husband. I was fearing intimacy. I was fearing not being so successful in order to be loved. And I was really hard on myself in terms I need to be perfect in order to be loved. Yeah, I was really dealing with myself. And one day, I noticed that the being perfect was the worst thing that I was doing to myself, and I was delaying only when I have that only when I and I was delaying, the delaying and delaying. And then one day, praying and meditating, I saw this pattern, and I said, No more. And it came just like this idea that I can let love in and let it be easy, even if I don’t have any experience about this because I didn’t have any experience about love, being easy, being kind, being respectful, being gentle and being also feminine. Because the males that I have had, they were males, but from almost the apes,

Achim Nowak  32:08

definitely does not come across like an APEC.

Susana Cor de Rosa  32:11

No, no, no, no, no. And I was doing this work, and on the 14th of February, I decided I felt it today, I’m going to find my man on the Valentine Day, and I did yoga, and I went with friends to dance, and Manuel was there dancing, and he invited us all, and he was extremely respectful and straightforward and really calm, and he invited me to Dance two days after, and it was just really nice. And even though he was not spiritual, as I was putting on my list, you know, the list that we do to the universe, he needs to do that and that my head is telling me something. But when I was with him, I could feel relaxed, I could feel safe, I could feel myself, and I didn’t need to push through or represent the that I was another person, and I really want to be in integrity. And I was saying the truth, this is who I am. This is what I like. This is what I don’t like. So while we were being friends, he was behaving just like he was already my boyfriend, even though he was my friend. And I was noticing that, and I said, this is strange. This guy is behaving just like he’s already my boyfriend taking care of me, noticing my needs, just calling me, just you need to eat. How about that? How are you feeling? But He’s not my boyfriend, and I was but I said, No, I don’t need it. Just let it be easy. No, it’s not the time. And he was just like, there. And finally, when we decided I gave him my perspective about love and I did the compass of relationships that I use with my clients to our relationship. So we were talking several days about the compass of relationships and about values, what we love, what we appreciate, what we are compatible, not compatible. And something was emerging, and it was so beautiful that I could feel that without me having to fix this will be my man for the next 20 years, or whatever I could, walk safely, calmly, connecting to something deeper and from and then it was just like let him in, because it was not easy for me. Let it. In

Achim Nowak  35:01

there was so many beautiful things to that story you told. And I can I think of the very first date I had with my partner, and we met on modern way online. We had a coffee date. But I remember during the meeting, the voice said to me, this is your best friend. And when I walked away, the voice said, this is your best friend. And I feel that to this day. You know that voice is powerful, and our job is to let somebody in, because we’re so used to not having our lover be our best friend, right? So our conditioning is other than that. You and I could spend hours having a conversation, and I hope this is an invitation to our listeners to learn more about you. But I’d like to wrap up with this question. You just got back from Switzerland. You see clients at different parts of the world. You teach here in Lisbon, you do cool things when you think of the future. And you told us you were born in 69 so we know how old you are. You have a lot of life ahead of you. Are there things where you go. I these are things I still want to experience, or things I want to do that I haven’t done yet. Do you make plans or do you let things just evolve? How does Susana look into the future?

Susana Cor de Rosa  36:35

Well, I look into the future with with love and with the sense of possibilities that I believe it’s a stone in my head, just like a cornerstone in my life. Because since I started thinking about possibilities, my life turned to be much more helpful, beautiful, and also facilitated by this concept and practice. So when I think about my future, since I started many, many years ago, I have this idea about changing the health paradigm in order for people to heal themselves and to help them evolve with their own healing capacities, to heal themselves and help others to heal in order to heal the world. And this paradigm is still active in me. Through unified quantum healing courses that I that I do, anonymous courses in order for you to heal yourself, and if you would like to to become a healer, through my methods, unified quantum healer healing, you can also do it at the same time, I’m in a mission where I feel I have a book which is the land or everything is possible, and I would like to receive help in order to create a school of infinite possibilities, to teach people, adult slash youngsters, to evolve and to know how to create their own reality and access their inner geneality and the 16 senses to improve education, because on unified quantum healing, I apply a method where you develop 16 senses, and not only five senses, because we are Quantum beings with consciousness, and we have more than five senses. The five senses came from the Greeks so and already on the 19th century, there were a physician who understood that we have nine senses. And then Rudolf Steiner spoke about more senses. So I want to evolve and help people to evolve through a 16 senses sensory life, in order to perceive the reality in a vast way and more integrative about who we are in our vastness and at the same time in our humanity. At the same time I more or less 18 years ago, when I did my first St James way, I had a voice calling me to do this work with women slash and men to do Santiago St James way in a way to revolutionize mentalities and open hearts and souls for what I believe that it is the being of infinite possibilities. And this being of infinite possibilities, for me, is the Cosmic Christ. It’s not about the Christ that the majority of people find. I believe in that Christ as well, but I believe in something bigger, transgenerational, trans transformative for all humanity that all includes and that is bring something amazing to our beautiful earth and to the people who want up, who are really in need for health. Healing and transformation, and this being of infinite possibilities, which is this Cosmic Christ is I want to do this work and going with people in a group from Portugal to go to Saint James way, which is something unique, with my unique story, with my country story, and to follow the steps of something bigger that exist within us, but needs to be unveiled, this feminine and masculine, this energy of sacredness and humanity, this joy of you being your true self, and At the same time, encounter unveil the masks that you need to unveil in order for you to be the leader or the CEO or the mother or whatever you want to be. And because this has happened to me 18 years ago, when I wrote and I had wrote the books, I have done so many work, but at times same time, now I feel that is the time to do this work with groups, and I am passionate about it.

Achim Nowak  41:08

You clearly are and it I hear another clear calling, which is nice. It’s just coming through you powerfully. I can’t imagine there aren’t listeners who want to learn more about the work you do, and want to know how to find you. So where would you do? Where would you like to direct people to?

Susana Cor de Rosa  41:28

Okay, so I’m really grateful that if you want to work with me, just like in terms of my course, unified quantum healing, nine months course, or mentorship, one on one, it could be something very beautiful for you, in order for you to outgrow your energy, to discover confidence and be the star of your own life, being who you are, just simple, just simple as that. And at the same time, I want to invite you to go to my website, susana.net in English, or Susana courthouse.com in Portuguese, and my whatsapp, plus 35192, 9015, 310, or my email, Susanna at Susana courthouse.com and feel free to reach out for me. It will be a pleasure to connect with you and to contribute to your growth, happiness and possibilities into this world.

Achim Nowak  42:26

It is such a pleasure to know you, and I’m grateful for this conversation. I’m just grateful for your energy and your spirit. So obrigado. Obrigada. Unbas Ciao. Ciao,

Achim Nowak  42:42

thank

Achim Nowak  42:47

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